Canelo doesnt have a single ATG type win.

Hard to fight other ATGs when all the other boxers are avoiding each other to try and become ATGs. You can only fight who is available. It's also just hard to get the timing right. Fighters have to build their resume to show they are ATGs and many times are over the hill by the time they can make an ATG fight happen.

 

Canelo completely schooled Jacobs. He didn't destroy Jacobs but he won that fight easy. Jacobs made his little mini-comeback in the 2nd half of the fight but he was arguably losing 7 rounds to nil when that started. People continue to claim that Jacobs won way more rounds than he actually won. Being competitive in some of those late rounds doesn't mean he won all of them.

As far as Callum Smith, plenty of ATGs got decision wins they probably didn't deserve at one point in their career. I'm not claiming that Callum Smith or Saunders is an ATG, but to stay undefeted for that long obviously they were doing something right. Had they never faced Canelo they are still undefeated and possibly have a chance at being an ATG. Instead Billy's in the hospital and due to his injuries may never fight again. Anotherwords, Canelo derailed both of these fighters having a chance of becoming an ATG, at least in the eyes of many people on this forum.

Look at how many undefeated fighters he beat. Austin Trout, remember he was undefeated when Canelo beat him, and he knocked him down. Liam Smith was also undefeted when Canelo knocked him out. And Liam Smith was just robbed the other day in a decision that many people here feel he won, and he was facing an undefeated fighter in his backyard. GGG, undefeated, Canelo beat him. These are all quality wins. These are all fighters who still could be undefeated today if they never fought Canelo.

 

Hopefully the door didn't hit your ass on the way out.

 

No need, you've missed the point anyway. This was about the fact that Duran beat Leonard by an extremely narrow decision, many of whom who disagreed with the result, but that hasn't stopped that from being Duran's signature win.

 

Who has Andrade beat?
What fan base does he pullas in?
What does beating Andrade prove when Canelo already has winston over better more accomplished fighters?

Seriously

 

Fair enough

 

I think you're over valuing an undefeated record and also ignoring context. You could list many boxers that have been undefeated and been trash when they've finally stepped it up. What they were doing right is extremely careful matchmaking. Callum Smith had looked mediocre in every single supposed competitive match ups. Its not even just Callum's actual resume that has been severely underwhelming but via the eye test he's shocking. He's the tallest super middle out there and has no idea how to utilise 1s or 2s and has nothing but a tailor made high guard and check left hook.

With Billy you're ignoring the fact he doesn't look at all comfortable at 168 and the stone cold fact he has looked absolute terrible on his last 3 performances at 168. What else is there to base BJS worthiness as an opponent other than his last three fights? You can say the Lemiuex fight but that was 3 or 4 years ago and Billy has done f all since. If Billy had fought Canelo back after he beat Lemiuex it would have been a classic 12 round affair.

RE the Jacobs fight... Come on mate, first of all Jacobs was in no way at all schooled let alone destroyed. Canelos two judges even gave Jacobs 5 rounds when Jacobs finally started to take it to Canelo. I watched the fight several weeks and the initial rounds were actually very close, Canelo was nicking them though but only by 1 or 2 scoring shots. Those initial rounds were by no means any sort of schooling but Canelo was winning them.

Canelo hasn't really destroyed anyone. The only he well and truly destroyed was Khan but we all know Khan should have never been fighting several weight classes above his natural weight.

 

You're putting words into my mouth. I'm not saying he is an ATG I'm saying that he had a chance to be considered an ATG with a record of 27-0 had he continued winning. Saunders was 30-0. Canelo is the only man who has beaten these fighters who were undefeated when they fought Canelo and he beat both in convincing fashion. The argument is that Canelo hasn't had an ATG win. Well it's hard to have an ATG win when you constantly destroy so many undefeated fighters making them look like nobodies. The fact is that Callum Smith before he fought Ryder was seen as a great fighter, many said he would beat Canelo before he fought Ryder. Many said Saunders was all wrong for Canelo. Many said GGG would destroy Canelo, etc etc etc. All kinds of excuses and mental gymnastics have been used to twist things to deny Canelo from having so-called ATG type wins.

 

Speaking of excuses, what about the Floyd fight?

 

What about my statement do you take exception with? I called out Floyd for barely beating a drained fighter, after saying he still considered Cotto undefeated after Pac drained him the year before. Floyd ducked the Canelo rematch, that's a fact jack. He wanted no part of a full strength Canelo at 154.

 

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But hey, you keep that narrative going bruss. Even Canelo didn't blame the weight on his loss. I think you lost more sleep over it than Canelo himself.

 

I agree with much of this, but I do think 1 big Win can be the difference between being an ATG or not. Especially when you consider just how big of an opportunity this was for Saunders. Just imagine for a moment if BJS had gone the distance a won a decison.

Don't you think he would be well on his way to being considered an ATG with a win over the P4P King undefeated at 31-0? At that point he could retire at 31-0 and many on this forum would absolutely consider him an ATG. He has the win over Andy Lee, a win over Ryder, he has the win over Eubank Jr. What if Eubank Jr goes on a tear under Roy Jones Jr? You can't deny that if Saunders found a way to upset Canelo, at 31-0 at that point he could retire and be considered an ATG.

A single win can make you great by itself, and in many fans minds a win over the P4P #1 would move the needle a lot as it pertains to being an ATG.

 

Ha ha your reach is more than Furys , your insane ...on that basis i guess Fatty Ruiz is ATG in your book lol

 

Canelo doesn't have any wins over ATGs but his cumulative record is still pretty impressive and places him in the ATG ranks itself, kind of like Wladimir Klitschko's. Belts held, title fights won, that stuff adds up even without a career defining achievement.

 

Floyd (since you have him in your user name) didn't beat a single ATG in his prime either. There's probably several ATGs that never beat another prime ATG.