Canelo ducks Golovkin to fight a lightweight (130lbs) medalist

What a load of nonsense. Absolutely every single world class fighter out there dries out and then puts on weight for the fight. Golovkin is no different to anyone else but he's one of the lesser culprits, guy weighed 165 for the 30 day weigh in before the Lemieux fight whilst Lemieux was 175.5. Golovkin weighed 168.6 on the night of the fight, putting on 9lbs which is hardly ridiculous by today's standards. Compare that to Canelo who has been as high as 174 for the Angulo fight after weighing in at 155. If fighter had to campaign at their fight night weighs he's be a light heavy. There's no point bringing up what would have happened if fighters from 30 years ago had the same rules - they've changed and are the same for everyone.

 

One of the smallest middleweights who was already too heavy and couldn't get down to actually compete in the ring in the middleweight division 12 years ago.


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[QUOTE="TKO";17749896]What a load of nonsense. Absolutely every single world class fighter out there dries out and then puts on weight for the fight. Golovkin is no different to anyone else but he's one of the lesser culprits, guy weighed 165 for the 30 day weigh in before the Lemieux fight whilst Lemieux was 175.5. Golovkin weighed 168.6 on the night of the fight, putting on 9lbs which is hardly ridiculous by today's standards. Compare that to Canelo who has been as high as 174 for the Angulo fight after weighing in at 155. If fighter had to campaign at their fight night weighs he's be a light heavy. There's no point bringing up what would have happened if fighters from 30 years ago had the same rules - they've changed and are the same for everyone.[/QUOTE]

Canelo turned pro in the 130s. The same year, Golovkin was fighting as an amateur at 165.

Canelo has grown to the middleweight ranks over his career.

Golovkin had to fight in the 165 pound class 12 years ago because they weighed him before fights and he had to enter the ring at that weight.

Even 12 years ago, he couldn't actually compete below 160.

There's a HUGE difference between growing into the middleweight division and being TOO FREAKING HEAVY TO EVEN FIGHT THERE before you EVEN TURNED PRO.

Golovkin has been a huge abuser of the ridiculous 30 hours before the fight weigh-ins.

In his entire career, he couldn't actually compete at 160 if he actually had to fight at that weight.

He couldn't as an amateur ... he certainly couldn't 12 years later.

Guys like Khan and Canelo grew from the 130s to the middleweight class. Golovkin NEVER ACTUALLY FOUGHT AT THE MIDDLEWEIGHT class as a pro. He's always fought above it.

And "he" (Golovkin) is complaining about the guys who came up in weight not wanting to fight him.

He's never gone up in weight to fight ANYONE. He dries out to fight the smallest guys he can get away with.

Enough already.

 

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Don't really see the relevance of this. Alvarez turned pro at the age of 15 and weighed 139 at the weigh in for his debut. Of course he's going to put weight on over the next few years, he wasn't even out of high school. By the age of 23 (the same age Golovkin would have been when Canelo turned pro) when he fought Angulo he was weighing in at 155 and getting in the ring at 174. Golovkin had done most of his growing by that age and was fighting in a weight division that suited him best at that time and still suits him now, ten years later. It's not unusual for fighters to do a lot of growing in their late teens and early 20s before plateauing out from that point onwards.

Agree, likewise if Alvarez had to weigh in immediately before the bout he'd be fighting at light heavyweight, or at very least super middle.

Putting your words in capitals doesn't make them any more valid. Firstly, the amateur middleweight limit is 165. The next weight division down is 152lbs, which is below the professional light middleweight limit and 8lbs below the middleweight limit he currently fights at. I think we can all agree that Golovkin could not have made that weight and performed optimally. So if you have to fight at 165lbs because there is no 160lbs division and you are too heavy for 152 then why would you lose extra weight that you don't need to

No he hasn't. Whilst I agree that the day before weigh ins are bad for the sport (though unfortunately the only thing that can sensibly be done for health reasons), as I stated in my previous post, Golovkin is far for one of the worst offenders. He typically puts on 8-9lbs after a weigh in. Many world class fighters routinely add at least 14lbs and Canelo adds anything up to 19lbs in addition to trying to dictate the weight limit for his own fights. I think it's pretty clear which fighter, if any, is abusing the latitude granted by the weight-in rules.

As per the above, the weight limit for the division in the amateurs was 165lbs. Given that he clearly can't make 152 and perform optimally what is the point working down to 160 when you don't need to?

Khan is not a middleweight. He's never fought above welter before and has had to do serious weight training to build up to the size he is now. He is also another one who turned pro as a teenager, though not as early as Canelo did, ergo he is naturally going to grow to some extent during his early career.

As for Golovkin, he has made the middleweight limit for every title fight he has had. If your comments mean that he has not entered the ring at 160 or below then obviously not, but I fail to see how that makes him any different from any other world title fighter these days?

Once again, the fact that Alvarez turned pro at the age of 15 and has grown and put on weight is of no relevant to this debate. If Golovkin had turned pro at 15 he would probably have been 2 or 3 weights lower, but he didn't. By the time he turned pro at 24 he was a fully grown man, not the 15 year old child that Alvarez was.

But none of this has any relevant to them fighting as middleweights today. Now that they are both grown men, Alvarez is the bigger man and cuts more weight. And if you honestly believe there's something wrong with Golovkin "abusing the weigh ins" by putting on 8-9lbs pre-fight yet it's perfectly OK for Canelo to try and drag natural middleweights down to a stupid 155 catchweight then put on 19llbs between weigh in and fight then, well.... There's nothing more anyone can say!!!

 

Golovkin called out Mayweather and Pacquiao repeatedly. They were like 110 pound medalists.

 

So wouldn't the catchweight hurt him more than GGG:blood