Canelo & fixed fights

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by Quina74, Nov 17, 2021.


  1. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

    70,723
    27,036
    Jul 26, 2004
    Signing an NDA not to disclose a federal crime? :lol: Thats not how NDAs work. :lol: NDAs dont and cant cover criminal activity.

    Thats even more ridiculous than your thread premise.
     
  2. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,569
    4,470
    Apr 25, 2019
    Now you're just cherrypicking and ignoring the actual content of my post becuase you have zero argument . I don't have a clue how NDAs work.. And call it NDA whatever you want to call it, it doesn't have to be an official NDA it could be anything, some dodgy informal agreement I don't know.. But again you haven't addressed the post
     
  3. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,569
    4,470
    Apr 25, 2019
    Again bandeedo, learn how to use capital letters at the beginning of your sentences. Back to your crayons you mouth breathing halfwit
     
  4. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

    35,875
    23,748
    Feb 19, 2007
    who do you think is buying that? you dont think its apparent the level of intellect either of us can debate on? you think this is my first post? seriously, what do you think you accomplished with that post?
     
  5. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

    70,723
    27,036
    Jul 26, 2004
    Your theory lacks basic reasoning.

    Canelo didnt need the Kova fight.

    Why would he trust a troubled drunk, with a partnership and a secret that would banish him from the sport and plausibly put him in prison.

    Thats not real life, and is entirely a different breed of corruption than what happens between promoters, judges and refs, which are done in ways much harder to prove and punish.

    As far as the individual performances... its all erroneous and conjecture. But your subjective and biased position is ultimately impossible to 'disprove' to any degree that would make a difference to you, so I will let others spend their time attempting that.
     
    Pimp C and Oddone like this.
  6. Cluedo

    Cluedo Member Full Member

    152
    166
    Sep 22, 2016
    I wouldn't be surprised
     
  7. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

    17,631
    5,956
    May 2, 2015
    Take it from someone who thinks GGG clearly beat Canelo in their first fight and is the better fighter prime vs prime, the OP is a moron.
     
    ipitythefool and JSpizz like this.
  8. BCS8

    BCS8 VIP Member

    59,310
    79,065
    Aug 21, 2012
    I don't think he fixed his fight with Kovalev.

    All he did was stack the deck so heavily in his favour by picking on an old champion with a short training camp after Kovalev's war with Yarde, a weight restriction and his usual judge backups. Kovalev was set up to lose and he did.
     
  9. Ivan28

    Ivan28 Active Member Full Member

    645
    436
    Feb 13, 2018
    In one of his videos in instagram, after tons of hate that he sold himself, angry Kovalev said "i have family, i have son, i should think for the life after ending my career, if someone bet for me against Alvarez he's an idiot" :))) (don't go against me, that's his words) Thinк about what he wanted to tell us, and almost tell it directly?)
    BUT If you said that for Canelo(who decide no more risk after hard battle for him with Golovkin), you should include also the others.He's not alone :)
    Spence is there after the crash (it's not hate, he's one of my favorite boxers).
    Gervonta Davis is also there for his last 2 fights, soon 3(The way he beat Leo Santa Cruz was his answer to Canelo vs Kovalev :) )
    You could rewatch with other eyes the Crawford - Brook.After Kavaliauskas they decide he's not untouchable in real fight and no more risk for him till the end of his career next years.I'm sure against Porter nothing will change(not telling it would be KO in 4rds, more like UD or late KO).Not for so long like Canelo, but he's already on the same train as Alvarez.+for Canelo you could say he at least was in really dangerous fight, showing what he can (Golovkin was the winner).I can't say that for pretending to be #1 p4p Crawford.
    Also Wilder, i belive Szpilka fight was the one who make them change their strategy, realize he's not that good and no more risk for Wilder.With Fury also wasn't real, in real fight Fury would smash him better : )) I guess Usyk changed their plans, so they will use Fury against Usyk, put everything on Fury - judges, medicine and of course his skills, and maybe after that returning the favor to Wilder.
    There are other names, but from big ones i'm sure for another from my favorite boxers, only 2 fixed with him.But it's ok, i can say deserved after so many real battles, not like nowadays "best p4p".
    In Canelo's defense (again, not his fan, he lost 2 times vs Golovkin) he at least deserved that status with real fights.Also i'm not anty black boxers, Spence vs younger and not paid to lose Brook was also real test for Spence, and i'm sure he wouldn't be on the train (no need) but the crash changed everything for him.I don't like the fact Crawford, Davis and Wilder(was) are there with not even 1 real big fight.
     
    Last edited: Nov 19, 2021
    mpg and pacas like this.
  10. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,569
    4,470
    Apr 25, 2019
    First of all, this is not basic reasoning. Even if Canelo didn't need the Kovalev fight that does not in anyway exclude this fight from being a fix. And Canelo beating a known name in a heavier division is supposed more clout/marketing as he then becomes a 2 or 3 weight world champion. He didn't need Kovalev but adding that title is for "legacy", "three/four weight world champ" and all those jazzy buzzwords.

    So because he is a drunk he can't keep something a secret that would likely tarnish both his and Canelo's "legacies"? That excludes him from ever from engaging in a fixed fight and keeping quite.. Basic reasoning...

    Again there's plenty examples of corruption in boxing that if it were to be exposed would cancel a lot of involved parties careers. Clearly bought judges, boxing rankings clearly being manipulated by certain outfits (WBO Warren for eg), blatant PED use.. These are all things that are high level corruption, and again I'm going to reiterate fight fixing is absolutely not out of the realms of possibility so I don't know why you're acting like it isn't. It's not difficult to believe one fighter is willing to take a risk (people take high level risks everyday) by agreeing to be paid millions of dollars to spar and allow themselves to be knocked out. If both parties have a relatively solid failproof plan then they could take the risk.

    Erroneous?! It's absolutely not but again great argument.

    Conjecture? You could say the same about Malik Scott's performance against Wilder or Richard Lartey against Wardley and others. Yes there's no proof of a fix/dive and it's conjecture but it's a reasonable to conclude their fights were fixed by how the fight played out. Canelo Kovalev was just more elaborate fix (yet clear) ..

    And you're claiming I'm biased.. I wouldn't just call out Canelo for participating in fixed fights, if some other high level boxer was in what looked to a be a fixed fight id call it out. I don't look at fights and immediately think oh that's a fix, I'll say it again, Canelo-Kovalev is the first fight fixed fight came to mind. I wouldn't have minded if Canelo KOd Kovalev because it's always good when a smaller dude beat someone bigger as its impressive.. This just wasn't the case.
     
    pacas likes this.
  11. Quina74

    Quina74 Boxing Addict Full Member

    3,569
    4,470
    Apr 25, 2019
    Oh you thought GGG clearly beat Canelo and Is better prime for prime, that must mean your opinion has so much more value than if you hadn't said that.. Thank you so much for clarifying..

    Go play with lego you naive helmet
     
  12. Rakesh

    Rakesh Well-Known Member Full Member

    1,604
    2,156
    Jul 6, 2021
    All that punishment... for a fix? :lol:

    Smith and Saunders was a fix to right?
     
    JSpizz likes this.
  13. JSpizz

    JSpizz Jay Spizz. Full Member

    446
    361
    Jan 8, 2021
    Why would you take an 11 round beating if it was a fix.... Drop in the 4-5 and save yourself a beating, same goes for Smith... That guy took three rounds of Serious beating at the end of the fight.
     
    ipitythefool, Rumsfeld and Rakesh like this.
  14. StussyBrownnn

    StussyBrownnn Member Full Member

    489
    504
    Aug 17, 2021
    You say without a doubt... then say its just your opinion. yet give no hard evidence to support the claim. So in other words its just speculation and can easily be doubted. Furthermore, you mention trout and jack which have no actual knowledge if what happened was fixed, so yet again more speculation. While it is your right to have an opinion that it was fixed, you gotta give something more tangible than hearsay and speculation.

    Yildirim fight was not fixed but one of those pointless mandatories against a fighter who had no business to be in the same ring as Canelo. Smith was tough as nails. And plant actually had great success boxing vs canelo.
     
  15. Sheikh

    Sheikh Well-Known Member Full Member

    2,966
    867
    Jun 4, 2007
    For a guy who mkaes 100K a fight, why not just pay him off? Its obvious boxing has always had fixed fights. This will be no different. This will be a sparring session with a KO ending. The South African will just throw light jabs mark my words.
     
    mpg, pacas and Quina74 like this.