Canelo & fixed fights

Man get off the " I have the superior knowledge" stuff.
That might work with the younger posters but not me.

 

to coin an already overused phrase, it is what it is. not saying im the most knowledgeable poster here, not even close, but you arent even in the running. and im not talking about nerd knowledge, like all the stats about everyone who fought anyone, im talking about actual fighting knowledge, boxing knowledge, technical knowledge. checked and verified through real world experience. you might be able to tell me what you think happened, but i can tell you why and how it happened.
and youre probably about the 15th guy ive had the almost exact same convo with over the years here. they aint been back for a follow up comparison since. maybe youll surprise me one day.

 

I'm a lot closer to you I can promise you that.
Been around the game pretty much my entire life.
Your not even close to my knowledge in terms of boxing as I can guarantee you that you never turned pro and better yet you never even really boxed.
You make these vague posts that pretty much shows your knowledge.
Alot of people, including you, don't really have an understanding of the pro game.
Its all about money. If you make the promoters money and ALOT of money your good.
I actually had a stable mate who was so limited it wasn't even funny get rated in the TOP TEN by the WBC because he made people money. And he got not one but TWO big fights when he basically didn't even do anything to deserve the first one.
Right now Canelo makes the most money over ANY boxer. The only way to beat him is either you knock him out or you beat him so bad you can't cover it up.
And if you think that they are going to lose there cash over some unknown Cruiserweight who isn't even a name your insane.
Why do you think the first bout with GGG ended in a draw? It was a clear loss.

 

Not necessarily, as love of competitive sport would be the very reason you would have an issue with corruption. Otherwise boxing is not a sport, merely entertainment.
Personally, I choose not to watch Canelo's fights due to this.

 

ok, mr 15.

 

There is a point where you have to either have faith in the sport. When I start thinking fix then that turns boxing into something I don't want, and for me to enjoy it I need to know it is legit. Any doubt and what is the point. Then we have the wrestling of the 1970s which was all fake.

 

Fair point, but I lean toward Canelo fights being exactly like the wrestling of the 70s. That was my tongue in cheek position on it in previous threads. Anyway, I don't usually post on threads related to Canelo. So I'll leave it there.

 

I never mentioned anything about Yildrim or his fight against Canelo Alvarez, so that's a strawman! And if you aren't even capable of avoiding a mistake as easy to avoid as that, then perhaps your intelligence isn't sufficient enough to analyze bouts or to point out minute details from world championship bouts.

And LMFAO at Kovalev not fighting out of character against Canelo Alvarez and fighting exactly like he fought against Yarde! To make things easy for you, I will be comparing Kovalev's fight against Canelo Alvarez in just the first round to Kovalev's performance against Yarde also from the first round.

Here is Kovalev's performance against Canelo Alvarez in the 1st round from 4:02 - 7:03

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And here is Kovalev's performance against Anthony Yarde in the 1st round from 0:58-3:58:

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Can you point out just one instance, of Kovalev stepping into even just his jab alone, much less any of his power punches, in that first round against Canelo Alvarez when in punching range and while hitting through the target with his arms fully extended? And in case you think I'm cherry-picking just the first round to suit my agenda, we can try this with any other round and see if the result will remain the same.

Against Yarde on the other hand, there are many instances of Kovalev stepping into his punches and punching through the target with his arms extended. For example, at the 1:30 mark, 2:09 mark, 2:17 mark, 2:47 mark, 2:58 mark, 3:04 mark, 3:09 mark, 3:19 mark, 3:31 mark and so forth so on...

In all those instances I've pointed out against Yarde, Kovalev is clearly seen to be stepping in and fully extended his arms while in range when throwing those punches. Whereas against Canelo, he is not stepping in and not fully extending his arms when in punching range. I.E. not hitting through the target.

If you are unable to detect this, then the problem lies with you.

If you want to do the same analysis for any other round, we can do that as well, in case you think I'm being biased or cherry-picking.

Even Teddy Atlas, one of the experts and most knowledgeable commentators, was pointing out multiple times how Kovalev was merely 'TOUCHING' Canelo Alvarez and not committing to his punches with power.

And I'm not even going to mention the many other things Kovalev did against Yarde which he somehow forgot to do against Canelo, until we can solve this initial problem.

 

I don't want to get into the topic of comparing Kovalev's resume to Wilder's, because that's a totally different topic altogether. However, I'm glad we can agree Ward is a top-level fighter and a comparable opponent for Kovalev as Fury was for Wilder. And if you want to exclude Hopkins from being a top-level opponent for Kovalev due to his age, then we will have to do the same with Ortiz for Wilder also due to his age.

Regardless, my point of contention is with some of your justifications for Kovalev fighting 'out of character'.

Having a short-camp or coming off a tough fight against a previous opponent isn't enough to stop you from doing something as rudimentary as committing to your punches by stepping into them and having your arms extended when throwing your punches, at least not in the very first round. It may effect the boxer in question, in the latter rounds or it may cause that boxer to wear out quicker than they normally would, negatively affecting their durability and stamina as the fight progresses. However, it didn't have to come to that point because Kovalev was fighting 'out of character' from the very first bell itself, before his durability or stamina even became a question mark.

Where you might have a valid point, is if Kovalev was perhaps injured from his last fight or his most recent training-camp. That might have had something to do with Kovalev not fully extending his arms as often as he does in other fights. Or perhaps he wasn't injured, but he just stopped caring about boxing altogether and just came for the paycheck. Those two possibilities are more likely than the former theories you provided. Or the fight may very well have been a fix. I'm not discounting those three possibilities.

 

I was addressing your point about the fight between Canelo and Alvarez looking 'NORMAL', and my response still stands. Kovalev was anything but 'normal' against Canelo Alvarez, relative to how he generally looks against pretty much every other opponent 'NORMALLY.

 

well, if thats what you got from that fight, nothing i say is bringing you any closer to what i saw. maybe when canelo faces the other 175 lbers you will get a better picture. then again, maybe youll see them throw the fight too, lol.

 

@Luis Fernando Against Canelo, Kovalev looked much different than he did against Yarde, no doubt about it. The footwork was very sloppy against Canelo, whereas vs Yarde he was constantly moving intelligently on the balls of his feet. The legs looked stronger against Yarde, vs Canelo it was like he had spaghetti legs. Vs Canelo he stood in place more and sort of hunched over and threw these weak little right hands with nothing on them. His fight with Yarde was fought at a much higher level, with both fighters loading up on shots and throwing shots with bad intentions, whereas vs Canelo it did look like weren't trying to hurt each other.

But in fairness Canelo was keeping a tighter guard than Yarde, Canelo was much shorter than Yarde. The openings that he had against Yarde just weren't there vs Canelo. At the same time, it was pretty clear that Kovalev didn't have his usual confidence against Canelo. He didn't come out like he was looking to take Canelo's head off like he did vs Yarde or in his previous fights. Kovalev did look physically exhausted, he sort of reminded me of Wilder against Fury in fight 2 and 3. Just like he didn't have his normal energy and as a result couldn't fight in his normal style. I know Wilder obviously threw harder against Fury in fights 2 and 3 than Kovalev did vs Canelo, but I just mean in the sense that they just came out looking exhausted and not their normal self.

So I agree there was definitely something "off" about Kovalev that night. At the same time Canelo was much more low output than usual and he wasn't really loading up on his punches either. It definitely had the look like a sparring session rather than a fight. That much is pretty obvious. But that doesn't mean it was a fix or that Kovalev had some kind of incentive to hold back. I think the most reasonable explanation is that Kovalev just didn't have his normal energy for whatever reason combined with him fighting a shorter fighter than he's used to with a tight guard and not having the openings that he usually does against much bigger fighters.

 

I'm constantly in awe of the fantasies fans make up to connect dots to whatever narratives bring a smile to their faces and peace to their hearts........

Hey, bro.....sometimes guys just win. Guys you don't like. And they beat guys you do like. Welcome to sports.

 

Your so obsessed with Canelo stfu already