Canelo-Golovkin 2: 2019 September or maybe never

Who cares anymore, with all the “marinating”, Adelaide Byrd and now the “tainted meat”.

 

The first fight made him realize he needed peds to improve his terrible stamina issues..
GGG couldn't even beat non-punching , non roided , low-workrate Canelo who was gassed out for 50% of the fight. lol

 

lol everyone said that golovkin couldn't get better and canelo can improve more and make the adjustments lol now we know why lol just up your ped intake these canelo fanboys really are a joke

 

Fans generally want to see the best fight the best. The first fight delivered, sparking controversy, conspiracies and debate. The fight fight only increased the demand and interest for a rematch, until all this tainted meat shenanigans caused interest to swerve off the road.

Mayweather accusing Pacquiao of cheating and delaying the fight for years because of it didn't seem to stop people from caring about that fight. Controversy sells however contrived it is.

 

Because he timed his cycles properly. Clen is excreted rapidly from the body. It always seemed funny to me that Canelo fought so rarely, and now we know why. It's to make sure that he cycles properly.

Clenelo got a draw when he should have lost.

Canelo twisted around when GGG threw body shots resulting in one landing half on his back. The referee warned Golovkin not to hit him on the back, whereas if anything he should have given a warning to Canelo.

""It's a little difficult when a guy doesn't want to be a little more stationary, for Gennady to go to the body like he's done in the past. He did hit him with a body shot in the fourth or fifth round, and [referee] Kenny Bayless warned him that he hit Canelo in the back. And the reason he hit him in the back is because Canelo is turning his body to avoid some of the shots and when he turned his back his got hit," Sanchez told Kevin Iole of Yahoo Sports."

Clenelo was caught with a monster load of clenbuterol in his system. No way to sweep that under the rug. Other people have gotten away in the past because they were either forced to eat dodgy food or were unaware. In his case he can afford to eat whatever he wants, he has butchers in the camp and everybody knows about the dodgy meat situation in Mexico .... ASSUMING that his excuse is true. But I don't think it is.

 

Francisco Vargas was caught with a monster load of clenbuterol in his system. His sample was twice of the amount of Canelo's highest sample. (1.3 ng/ml) Canelo's highest sample was 0.6-0.8 ng/ml.

So Vargas tested positive with a much higher conentration of clenbuterol than Canelo did, and he was not suspended, punished, or had a hearing.

Vargas was "forced to eat dodgy meat"? I highly doubt Vargas or any Mexican fighter is unaware of the clenbuterol issue. It's been a well known issue internationally for the better part of a decade, and Mexican fighters would naturally be more aware of the issue than other fighters since they live in a country where it is a problem.

Your argument that because Canelo has made more money than other fighters, that he wouldn't be affected by the clenbuterol problem in Mexico sounds pretty ignorant. It's unclear where Canelo got his meat from and if clenbuterol meat is only if you buy low quality meat. From what I've learned, it sounds like clenbuterol is a pretty widespread problem in the country. So much so that the NFL issued warnings to its players who played in Mexico city not to eat the meat while in Mexico. NFL players aren't exactly poor and wouldn't be eating in "dodgy restaurants" while in Mexico so for the NFL to issue a warning sounds to me like like eating any meat in Mexico could result in a positive test for clenbuterol, that it isn't limited to fighters who don't have as much money as Canelo.

 

Hang on. Vargas, the GOLDEN BOY fighter?

The same stable as Clenelo? Can't be! Surely this is just a coincidence!

I never claimed that. I was in fact referring to cases where athletes in the China olympics had little choice in food.

Excellent. Then it was no "accident" for Canelo.

1) Canelo's diet was posted online. It contains very little meat.
2) The world's best steak, fedexed:

http://www.thewagyu.com/services.html

I assume that Canelo can afford this.

Then its just about time that they clamped down on this BS excuse from Mexican fighters. Seems to me Mexican fighters have carte blanche to use clenbuterol and blame it "on meat". What's next? Clenbuterol tours for fighters on clen, nipping across the border for some shopping and the Mexican meat excuse? It's not acceptable.

 

For casual fans, sure. As far as I’m concerned, I stopped caring about MayPac 5-6 years ago. Didn’t catch their fight live, and didn’t see a single fight of theirs since. I don’t like fights marinating, don’t like ridicuolus scorecards, don’t like fighters testing dirty right before the biggest fights of their careers. It’s not best fighting the best anymore, It’s fighters and promoters ****ing with fans, which is exactly what Mayweather/Pacquaio was. I’d much rather see GGG against Saunders, Charlo, Deravy, Jacobs at this point.

 

Clenelo has been juicing for a long time.

 

And you know this how?

 

I don't disagree with this. I don't like any of that stuff either. But just to be clear, the fight didn't marinate that long before it happened, not nearly as long as Mayweather Pacquaio. And Canelo vs Golovkin was much better than Mayweather Pacquiao.

The only ridiculous scorecard was the Byrd card, however the fight was close and Golovkin wasn't dominating any of the rounds, so I don't see how that single scorecard would lower your interest in the rivalry. If anything, it sparked debate and had fans on here going through the rounds in greater detail.

Canelo vs Golovkin is the best vs the best, at least at Middleweight. Lineal Champ vs Unified Champ. I don't see any fighters and promoters ****ing with fans here. They made the fight happen, and if it wasn't for this clenbuterol stuff we'd be preparing for a scintillating rematch, and it sucks that we have to wait longer.

If you don't care anymore that's your prerogative, but plenty of people care about Canelo vs Golovkin. Most fans that were looking forward to it are bummed that the fight isn't happening. There are certain Golovkin fans though that like that it's not happening because they were worried about what might happen in the rematch.[/QUOTE]

 

Why did he drop out of VADA testing for his fight against Smith after testing had already started ... he started Clen then to help him lose weight as he had nit made 154 in whar 3 years at thay point. and has probably cycling Clen since then. Hence his rapid body change the last few years. Matter of fact Harry Reid said that Floyd complained before his fight that Canelo was on steroids. Buy Floyd didn't want to make it public before the fight because it would hurt sales.

 

You do realize that you just posted nothing but hearsay, assumptions and allegations?

 

Is it a coincidence that he lives in the same country as Canelo where clenbuterol is a known issue?

What does that have to do with what's happened to Pro Boxers in the past who tested positive for clenbuterol but weren't punished? We're talking about fighters like Vargas, Luis Nery, and Morales, etc.

If you're going by Olympic standards, WADA has evaluated the China Olympic situation and as of last year taken a stance on clenbuterol. They've stated they find it unreasonable to put the burden of proof on the athlete in cases of clenbuterol when the athlete lives in one of the countries known to have an issue.

That's like saying no one should ever get cancer because we know about it. Do you expect athletes who live in Mexico to just stop eating meat entirely? Surely there's a risk of accidental ingestion in that country. Yes Canelo could import his meat, and after this wake-up call he might just do that. But the fact is that you can't say with any certainty that he was cheating. He may have a strict diet, he may say he had little meat, but he could have ate something at a retaurant, or at a family gathering that had clenbuterol in it accidentaly and got tested the next day. We just don't know, and you're assuming all this stuff that you couldn't possibly know. And it's no surprise, becuase you assumed alot of stuff about Canelo, GBP, corrupt judges, corrupt NSAC etc.

If you read the WADA statement they agree that it's an unsatisfactory situation. I agree it's a big problem for Mexican athletes, and it's really Mexico's responsibility to ensure that their athletes can eat uncontaminated meat.

It's not acceptable at all that Mexican fighters can use meat as an excuse, but it's ALSO not acceptable for fighters reputations to be damaged by being accused of being a cheater simply by eating meat. So the unacceptable situation works both ways.

 

What's interesting is that on the WBC list of fighters that refused VADA testing in Jan 2017, Liam Smith was actually one of the fighters on that list. So as hard as it may be for you to believe this, Smith actually refused to be enrolled in VADA testing during that time.

You're making all these assumptions that it was Canelo who didn't want testing for that bout, but based on that WBC list it was Smith who refused to be tested.

And if you don't believe me, in addition to the WBC list from Jan 2017, check out this link :

http://vada-testing.org/liam-smith/

So I guess Beefy must have been juicing for that Canelo fight huh?

http://vada-testing.org/saul-alvarez/

So according to VADA's website, Smith "withdrew" from VADA, not Canelo.