Canelo-Golovkin 2: 2019 September or maybe never

It's a wake-up call for Canelo. He and his team may have known about it, and may even have been taking precautions, but just because you know clenbuterol is an issue doesn't mean you are immune to ingesting clenbuterol accidently. He could have been at a restaurant for all we know. When you say Canelo's family are butchers, are you referring to Chepo being a butcher decades ago? I don't doubt they knew about clenbuterol, but that isn't a fail-safe mechanism. It's like saying you know about how you can catch a cold, but then you walk through an airport and the next day your sick. Or food poisoning. We all know food posioning exists, but that doesn't mean you may not eat something and get an upset stomach. And you may say to that "well that's not the same as ingesting clenbuterol". Well do you live in Mexico, do you know first hand how big the problem of clenbuterol is? A study showed that 58 of 200 of slaugherhouses in Mexico had meat that tested positive for clenbuterol. That's a good chunk, which means accidental ingestion is possible. And again with random drug testing, all it takes is one meal, where you think the meat is clean but turns out it isn't.

First of all, clenbuterol is not a steroid, it does not cause major physique changes. With Canelo, his physique looks the same in 2017 as it did in 2012. Compare his weigh-in physique in 2012 to his weigh-in physique in 2017. He's body looks nearly identical. We know that he puts on water weight the day of the weigh-in and looks bigger and more filled out the night of the fight, but that's not a physique change over time that suggests he's been on something. Now obviously he was drained for certain fights like Floyd at 152 and Smith at 154, but looking drained due to having to cut more weight in some of his fights vs not looking drained in other fights does not indicate that he's taking a banned substance.

That said, I understand that clenbuterol is known to be used a fat burner, and I'm not ruling out that clenbuterol may have had an affect whether his intake was pharmacological (intentional) or not. Likewise, eating certain foods / meats or taking vitamins can also enhance a fighter's fat burning ability.

Here's what I'm getting at : we simply don't know if Canelo was cheating / cycling. We know you have reasons to believe he was, and you're entitled to your belief. In general, I just don't believe the kind of conspiracies and theories you have. Like you're convinced of stuff that you believe is true but you can't in any way prove. (NSAC corruption, Oscar paying off judges, Canelo taking PEDs intentionally, Golovkin winning the first fight clearly etc etc etc) I'm perfectly fine with you having these beliefs, I'm just taking a more neutral and scientific approach to them. (less jumping to conclusions)

That's a cool story bro, and that sounds like you could be on to something, but it's pure speculation.

It's not a good look to test positive for any banned substance. Whether you avoid being punished, or not. Whether you lie and say it was contaminated meat or whether you accidently ingested it through contaminated meat. Certainly Canelo has not gotten a free pass on any of this. This has derailed the fight, and Canelo himself pulled out of the fight over it. I agree with what you're saying, it's a very big issue and I think WADA's issuing a statement on it last year speaks to that. So we may disagree on Canelo's culpability here, but I agree with what you're saying about how the clenbuterol issue is a very big problem and should be stopped. And this leads to your next point . . .

No, it's not Mexico's responsibility. It's the fighter's responsibility. If there's a meat problem, then don't eat the meat. There are a thousand other ways of getting protein.

It's not as simple of a problem to fix as you make it sound, if solving the clenbuterol issue in Mexico was so easy to solve, it would have been solved by now. I agree it's the fighter's responsibility what he puts in his body, but if the fighter ingested clenbuterol accidently by eating meat he thought was clean, that's not his fault, that's really a health issue in Mexico. However, that said, fighters in Mexico should be more careful, especially somebody in Canelo's position who have more resources than other fighters and theoretically should be able to get clean meat. I don't live in Mexico so it's hard for me to really get a sense of how Canelo may have ingested contaminated meat. But I Just don't think there's enough information for either you or me to be sure one way or the other. It's hard though for me to believe you on this one with all the other conspiracies you believe in. I mean you believe that Golovkin won the first fight clearly and stuff like that. It just seems like you take a very pro-Golovkin / anti-Canelo view on anything that relates to Canelo or Golovkin. So the fact that you're sure Canelo was cheating just like you were sure Oscar paid off the judges / Golovkin won the first fight clearly, it's just awfly convenient.

As far as Canelo taking responsibility for the positive test, he has done that. He pulled out of the fight when he didn't have to. He's obviousley taking this issue very seriously, he had an hour press conference talking about it the other day. So he is taking respobsibility for it, and lets see what happened next week with the NSAC hearing next week and see if we can learn anything from that.

 

It says that Canelo was no longer enrolled in VADA prior to his bout with Smith. And it says that Liam Smith has withdrawn from VADA in advance of his September 17th bout with Alvarez.

So who withdrew from VADA and who didn't ???

It says Smith withdrew ! (not Canelo) This suggests that Smith made the decision to not have testing for the bout, not Canelo.

If your opponent withdraws from VADA, would you stay enrolled? Why would you agree to random testing when you're opponent refuses? Sanchez was actually asked that exact question and made it clear that drug testing is only fair if both fighters are tested.

 

Sorry but he fact canelo's trainers are in the meat business and are fully aware of the tainted meat problem. Leaves no doubt in my mind they were CHEATING !!!!!! PROBABLY HAVE BEEN JUICING ALL ALONG. If Bennett & the nsac let him off this one that also proves they are 100 % CORRUPT!!!!!

 

I heard Canelo was on his way to Bogota Columbia to take part in the special Olympics

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One of the Mexican fighters in the gym yelled " Hey CJ heard the latest Theyre not Booing Canelo any more Theyre MOOING!!!!!!

 

ClenbuteNelo Cheatvarez will be like DelaGaya, depressed and on Cocaine or similar by the end of his Banned term.
He is finished....

 

If he is clean why would it matter if he was tested? Smith was tested by UKAD still who was Canelo tested by again.. So by your logic Canelo had an advantage as he was not tested by UKAD Or Vada. Si how does that prove he wasn't juicing again?

 

You can't choose not to catch a cold, but you can choose not to eat Mexican meat. Especially if you are Canelo. Case closed.

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He's been on this crap since 2012. You're absolutely right.

Look:

2009: 7 fights.
2010: 5 fights.
2011: 5 fights.
2012:

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fights.
2013:

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fights.
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He's been cycling since 2012. Even more embarrassingly, CHEMnelo was unable to beat old Mayweather while roided to the eyeballs

Here's what I'm getting at: he failed 2 tests and the Mexican meat excuse is wearing thin now. Ban his ass.

No, it's not Mexico's responsibility. It's the fighter's responsibility. If there's a meat problem, then don't eat the meat. There are a thousand other ways of getting protein.

Mexico doesn't need to solve anything. Fighters need to stop eating Mexican beef if they don't want to test positive. Import the meat from the US. Or Kobe steak from Japan. If they're light in the pocket, they can eat beans. I eat beans. They're a damn fine meal, and good protein. Check this out:

"While there are many different types of beans, they are all highly nutritious. Beans are a low-fat, cholesterol-free food, rich in many minerals including folic acid, iron, potassium and magnesium. They are high in fiber and protein as well. Some types of beans have more protein than others, but beans for the most part are considered a high-protein food."

https://www.livestrong.com/article/291342-the-best-beans-for-protein/

Now maybe they don't know about the bean in Mexico, but you could give Canelo this link for some recipes:

https://www.bonappetit.com/recipes/family-meals/slideshow/bean-recipes

< How to make beans

 

Chemnelo Clenvarez?

 

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I think we all jumped the gun on poor Canelo, he is obviously suffering from this...
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...es-touch-free-meat-packets-appease-squeamish/