Canelo: "I watched the fight back. I won by 2 rounds"

I don't put too much stock in online polls, for all we know they could be rigged by Golovkin fans. I know I didn't personally vote in that poll for what that's worth.

One of the problems with that poll is that there is no draw option, which would surely decrease the % that had Golovkin winning since so many had it close.

I like canucks9314's comment on the 90% : "About the same percentage on the forum that thought he would win going in." "People don't like to admit they were wrong."

As I've pointed out in the past, there were several factors that cause so many to score the fight for Golovkin, and you highlight one of those below : the argument that Canelo has been the recipient of favorable scoring. Then you have the Byrd card which caused many to say Golovkin won just to protest the Byrd card. Then you have Golovkin being the aggressor and throwing more punches. Casuals and those not paying close attention are more inclined to score rounds to the fighter pressing the action / coming forward.

Just reading through the comments I'm finding a healthy variety of scores and viewpoints. Personally I trust my own eyes and what I see rather than the popular trend or an online poll that I can't verify the accuracy of. I know the dynamics involved when it comes to this rivalry so I am not swayed by the results of a poll like that, of what a couple hundred posters who probably voted right after the fight? It's really just an exercise of confirmation bias : Golovkin fans trying to convince themselves and casuals that he won.

Well in this case, no because the majority are not like you in that they fully admit that it was a close fight.

So what? Good punches like that win fighters rounds / make it reasonable for judges to score rounds for a fighter. The punch was the counter left hook by Canelo in the 7th round with 2:04 remaining. Check it out.

Being good leads to judges scoring favorably for that fighter. You're just drinkin that haterade, trying to use your silly online polls to act like everyone's on your side. This isn't a popularity contest. That kind of stuff doesn't work with me. The idea that Canelo can just stand there and get rounds is laughable. You just don't have an appreciation for the effectiveness of his work. You say everybody sees it (the corrupt judging you allege presumably) except for me yet it's you that isn't allowing yourself to see the work that makes these rounds close and debatable which I've tried to spoon feed you in some of these so-called Golovkin rounds like round 7.

You'd just rather live in your "life is so unfair, everything Canelo is corrupt" fantasyland rather than paying attention to the punches landed in the round and what actually happened in the rounds. Attention to detail just isn't your speciality, but that's what I'm here for.

 

Ginger lost that fight, no question about it.

 

90% of people are GGG fans? OK.

As I've pointed out in the past, there are many factors that caused people to vote for Golovkin. For example, the fact that he threw more punches and landed more punches. The fact that Canelo was unable to take his power and was forced to retreat all night. The fact that Canelo's best punches had no effect on GGG. He walked right through them. The fact that Canelo gassed and had to retreat to the ropes. The fact that Golovkin never gassed and continued to be the aggressor down to the wire.

Look in a mirror lately?

Alas, I don't care if it "works" with you or not. There are people that believe the earth is flat. There are people that believe they were abducted by aliens and had probes shoved up their asses. There are people that believe they are Jesus Christ. They have their own "logic" and "facts" and they will debate them till the sun comes up. You are welcome to belong to these exclusive clubs.

One punch doesn't win a round.

One corrupt judge, however, can win a fight.

 

I can buy that. I had the impression from watching the fight that Canelo took his foot off the gas in the last third of the bout, knowing that he only needed to win one or two frames at most to get the decision. I suspect that if the cards had been closer after 8, he would have accelerated more in the closing rounds. As it was, a 114-113 card for Canelo was hardly unreasonable.

 

How many total people voted for Golovkin in that poll?

You're saying what I just said in different words. Yes, Golovkin being the aggressor, throwing more punches, coming forward causes a good amount of fans to score rounds for that kind of a fighter. That probably explains a good portion of that 90%.

Canelo was not "unable to take his power", he showed he had one hell of a chin like Trout said remember ! At no point was Canelo bothered by Golovkin's power. If he was so bothered by his power then why did he keep staying on the ropes, which was a big no-no going into the fight and what would cause Canelo to get hurt or even knocked out remember?

Canelo's best punches definitely had an effect on Golovkin, it caused Golovkin to start breathing heavily, to be hocking loogies in his corner, for his face to turn red as a tomato, and it caused him at times to double and triple the jab after feeling the urgency caused by being unable to match Canelo's punch quality.

Recently you agreed with me about how it takes more stamina and energy for Canelo to land his punches than it does for Golovkin to just come forward and throw basic jabs and an occasional straight right while Canleo is using upper body movement and landing heavier more flashy punches. Golovkin clearly was breathing heavily in the later rounds, while Canelo wasn't breathing heavily at all. Golovkin was able to continue walking forward and fighting in a more basic predictable style than Canelo was the more dynamic impressive naturally energy sapping fighter. Like you agreed with me on, it uses more energy for Canelo to do his work and he has more of it because he's younger and more used to 12 rounds.

I'm not the one using online polls using popularity as a source of confirmation bias.

One punch doesn't typically win a round. It's not like Canelo only landed one punch, he landed many others it's just that his best punches per round were consistently better than Golovkin's best punches. This is where the quality vs quanity debate comes in. What's a quality Canelo punch worth, how many glancing Golovkin punches is one uppercut bomb from Canelo worth, how many light jabs is a well timed counter left hook from Canelo worth, etc etc.

And one corrupt judge can't win a fight, because there's 3 judges in boxing. For a fighter to win a fight, you need 2 judges giving you a victory. So if you only have 1 corrupt judge, and a fighter wins, that means you had a non-corrupt judge having that fighter win. So, no, what you're saying about one corrupt judge being able to win a fighter a fight isn't the case. For a corrupt judge to be the deciding factor, you need to non-corrupt judge scoring it for you as well. (and we know if two judges have it a draw the result is a draw)

 

Because he gassed and needed to rest.

So ... Golovkin upping the intensity of his attack is proof he was gassed? Is that your argument? It's called "going in for the kill"

Opinion ^ The opposite of mine. Canelo just about managed, after resting 50% of the fight on the ropes, to almost match Golovkin for output in the last three rounds in a desperate rally. Golovkin could have fought another 12 rounds ...

Yet, without fail, he gasses almost every fight.

 

He went to the ropes for two possible reasons : to conserve energy and to prove a point that he could fight off the ropes effectively and not be hurt by Golovkin while there. He didn't appear to be gassed at all when he stayed on the ropes which is what I was referring to in the 4th and 5th rounds. He appeared to be gassed at points in rounds 7-9 when he was backpeddling more than usual. (that's when he appeared gassed, not when he was staying on the ropes and picking off shots like he was in the 4th and the 5th)

Reading comprehension : Golovkin doubling / tripling the jab at certain points were a response to Canelo's power shots having an effect, Golovkin felt a sense of urgency after being hit that he felt a need to throw more punches in succession to compensate for being hit with such hard power shots. And that in effect caused Golovkin to breath more heavily with his mouth open because he was overworking himself combined with the punches that hit him affected his breathing. Another indication that Canelo's punches were having an effect was Golovkin shaking his head several times.

Golovkin breathing heavily is not an opinion, this is clearly visible that he had his mouth wide open in the later rounds taking in deep breaths. His head also visibly reddended like a tomato which is another indication that Canelo's punches were having an effect.

That's what you've been saying and many others, but really it's just how you interpret the fact that Canelo isn't constantly throwing and coming forward. He's conserving energy is what he's doing, you're saying that's gassing, essentially he's doing that (i.e. backpeddling at times) to prevent himself from gassing, so he still has the energy to land his usual big punches.

 

You sound like George Bush trying to convince everybody that "the terrorists are fighting so hard because they're losing!" Sure, buddy

 

Let see...Canelo was adamant he won right after the fight. Been claiming he won and after watching the fight he claims he won. Yea there is no bias in sh** coming from Canelo.

 

Well, the man won rounds 1-3 and 10-12 clearly, and there are rounds between 4-9 that were very close that one can argue for Canelo. So despite there being an obvious bias, he isn't wrong.

 

Clearly? You mean in your opinion!!!

 

You just fail in general...sonny

 

Of course my opinion. imo Canelo clearly won rounds 1-3, and 10-12. I'm not sure if you know this, but boxing is very subjective. I can however present you with an argument as to why I gave Canelo those rounds if you're interested in civil debate. Remember that boxing is not scored based on who landed more punches but who landed the cleaner harder punches, defense, ring generalship, and effective aggression.

 

I'm not going to argue with a know Canelo nuthugger on whether he won or not. It is pointless, we know where you stand an nothing will change your view. This thread is not bout whether he won or not. This thread is about Canelo trying to be bias after watching film. It is pure bull**** that his view is unbiased.