Canelo is a modern day Henry Armstrong

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  1. BoxingDialogue

    BoxingDialogue Active Member Full Member

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    That’s right mfers and F U Kone you can eat a dick
     
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  2. El Gallo Negro

    El Gallo Negro Active Member banned Full Member

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    yes sir....
    was going to post this last week but forum was already overloaded with Alvarez posts.
    to be fair to Armstrong, Alvarez would still need to win a belt at 175, and maintain all the belts, which will be pretty hard to do, but in the modern age of titles he's about as close as were going to see.
    but I really want to see that Charlo fight above all else. those boys north of 160 have been an utter disappointment so far so the haters will say he's just taking easy fights
     
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  3. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    Maybe. He’s doing some interesting things and making boxing more exciting. Hope to see him fight the top guys at these weights instead of cherry picking. If he wants to fight LW, Beterbiev would be a better choice than shot Kov. Smith wasn’t the top SMW, and he’s been called out by Bivol. If he beats Bivol, that would cement his legacy. I don’t think he can but it would be great to watch.
     
  4. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Cant help but laugh at this thread
     
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  5. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Did henry armstrong have 2/3 judges in his pocket, ref, state commissions, give other champions 4 weeks notice and not fight guys who he didnt have a major advantage over? GTFOH
     
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  6. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Ahahahahahahahahahahaahahaha.
     
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  7. Braindamage

    Braindamage Baby Face Beast Full Member

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    Notice! Armstrong fought 26 times in a 1 year span. He didn't even give himself any notice. LOL Armstrong is a different breed. Not knocking Canelo, but I don't think Armstrong had the advantages Canalo has.
     
  8. catchwtboxing

    catchwtboxing Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I mean, I see nothing similar stylistically. They are both multi-division champs, but Canelo has had the ability to pick and choose. Also, the controversy gradient that is going against Canelo went for Armstrong, as it is generally accepted that he should have had the middleweight belt against Garcia.

    I just don't see it. No disrespect to Canelo. He will be remembered as a great fighter. But Armstrong is sometimes mentioned as the second best to ever lace them up.

    No for me.
     
  9. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    More like a modern day ginger Stretch Armstrong

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  10. Oddone

    Oddone Bermane Stiverne's life coach. Full Member

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    Assuming this is not a trolling thread the answer to the question “Is Canelo a modern day Henry Armstrong” is no.

    Setting aside all of Canelos antics like:
    • Catchweights
    • Rehydration clauses
    • History of absurd judge cards
    • Short notice fights
    • Cherry picking
    • Clenbuterol
    You have to understand what a different sport it was. Let’s start with the gloves. 1900-1950 gloves were designed poorly. Designed to hold the 6 ounce weights of cotton and horsehair for padding which didn’t offer the best protection for the fighter, their hands or their opponents but they were a big step up from training and fighting without gloves which caused awful marking, cuts and bruises.

    In other words Armstrong fought more often with less protection, legal or otherwise. Canelo is not willing to risk his career chasing the biggest fights, let alone with less protection. If you asked him to get into the ring with an opponent in 6 ounce horsehair gloves, he’d probably say no.

    So, Instead we get to see Canelo face a shot Kovalev, not Bivol or Beterbiev at light heavy weight. You get an older GGG, not the prime fighter that was avoided at middle weight. Benavidez name was not even mentioned by Canelo even though he had a belt at SMW during the time Canelo was floating short camp offers to Billy Joe or Plant. Smith then got the call and took a payday.

    Armstrong also accomplished what no fighter before or since has ever been able to do -- he simultaneously held three world titles. And he managed this unique feat before inflation hit boxing, back when there were only eight weight classes with no junior-this or super-that divisions. He defended his belts. He didn’t vacate them and move to different weights with the intention of not having to face tougher opponents.

    In fifteen years Armstrong had a record of 151-21-9. Or depending on who you ask/what website you look at 152-22-9. Canelo will simply never hit this number despite advances in every measurable metric: Medicine, nutrition, gym technique, gym equipment etc etc.

    Finally Armstrong showed respect and understanding to his opponents.

    Armstrong proved what a respectful opponent he was in one of his more important fights - the fight in which he took the welterweight championship away from Barney Ross. Although the first few rounds of the fight were even, Armstrong soon asserted himself. Ross was a quick and flashy fighter, but he simply couldn’t match Armstrong’s super-human endurance.

    Soon it became clear that Ross could not find a way to victory. Yet despite being battered and bloody, Ross simply wouldn’t give in. The referees and Ross’ coaches all tried to convince him to concede, but Ross wouldn’t listen. He had never been knocked out in his career, and he didn’t intend to voluntarily break that record.

    Recognizing and respecting his opponent’s pride, Armstrong refrained from knocking out Ross, instead carrying him through the final few rounds of the fight. Intentionally not hospitalizing him.

    Ross managed to finish what would be his final fight standing on two feet.

    There are no modern day examples of Henry Armstrong. He was one of a kind.


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  11. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    This is precisely, factually, and semantically correct.
     
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  12. crixus85

    crixus85 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Says it all, a great summary.
     
  13. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Bro, Armstrong had like 5 title fights in a single month :lol: The **** you talking about?
    Barney Ross fought twice in April and then a month later lost his welterweight title to Henry.
     
  14. slash

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    Must be troll thread
     
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  15. BoxingDialogue

    BoxingDialogue Active Member Full Member

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    No, name a fighter in recent years that people wanted to see fight the top guys in 3 different divisions.