Canelo is already a atg by the time he's finished will rival Sanchez and Chavez as GOAT of Mexican b

I would already put him above Chavez.

Chavez was the most famous, but I dont think he was the best Mejicano by far.

gotta have Juanma Marquez somewhere pretty high on that list.

 

He really up there.

 

Canelo is a great boxer, no doubt about it. As much as I'm rooting against Canelo, I must admit how good he looked not only tonight, but in many more fights.

His best weight is 160, he's too short at 168 and 175, yet he's good enough to beat the **** out of long tall dudes like Smith who looked clueless against him.

The strongest side of Canelo as a boxer is his skills, both defensive and offensive. He's very good at counterpunching, throwing bodyshots, he has great timing. And he's pretty good at avoiding clean shots. Add here his sturdy chin.

Canelo isn't particularly quick or hard-hitting (scored only 6 KO's in his last 15 fights), yet he has good power combined with an excellent timing, that makes him dangerous even at higher weights.

Even if Canelo loses few fights late in his career, it won't affect his boxing legacy much. He's already very accomplished and has a time to add some nice wins to his resume.

 

Almost sacrilege to say this but you're right. Chavezs win over Taylor was impressive but other than that Canelo has the better Resumee. GGG win is more or less equal to the Rosario win(GGG>Rosario but Rosario was beaten more convincingly) and the rest of Canelo's Resumee is above Chavez's by far tbh.

 

He is still only 30. Smith's punches didn't even affect him.

 

dint forget, Chavez did also beat Greg Haugen

 

He's getting there. I think he probably needs one or two dominant, uncontroversial performances against top opposition to reach the likes of JCC, Sanchez, and Olivares, though.

 

Hard to say, boxing has always been a game of levels. There are 3 fighters that Canelo has fought that has been on his "level" in terms of prestige, skills, eye test/accomplishment:

1. Floyd - Lost and Floyd was too small.
2. Cotto - Very close fight which I had a draw and Cotto was too small.
3. GGG - D/W, arguably L/W and to some although bias IMO, L/L.

The rest are fodder IMO. None of them are on his level (A/B+).

A couple that was on his "level", Mosley and Kovalev but both were shot. Trout and Lara are good wins but they won't be HOF'ers by any stretch.

Basically, he's lacking a signature win or 2.

Chavez has a win over Taylor and a draw with Whitaker.

 

LOL, you must be a kid!

At the moment I'd rank Canelo on par with say Morales and Barrera, below Marquez, but still significantly below Chavez.
Though by the time his career is over Canelo may have a case for being the ATG Mexican as imo he is in his absolute prime right now and it seems like unlike most in todays boxing world, Canelo is up to take on all-comers.

 

Right now i cant see anyone beating him. Saunders would give him some problems, but not enough in the end. He would have to face Beterbiev or Bivol to lose which at 175lbs hes not expected to do.

 

Thats putting a microscope to Canelo's career, the bottom line for me is he allready has a better caliber of opposition as a whole than Floyd Mayweather who was a cherry picker.
Disect Floyd Mayweathers career like you did Canelo and the best live opponent he ever faced was Jose Luis Castillo, a very good fighter buy hardly the caliber of Gennady Golovkin.
.......and you add to that Canelo has'nt shy'd away from any type style fighter, he's taken on diffucult style matchups like Trout and Lara where most fighters in Canelo's position (certainly Mayweather) would have steered clear of.

 

Too many controversial Decisions with questionable scorecards and refereeing.

 

I'm 40 years old. I watched Chavez vs Taylor when I was 10.
Chavez has 3 or 4 great wins, and outside of that a lot of wins against tough but second second tier opponents.
what were his best wins? Taylor, Camacho?

I'm 40 years old. I watched Chavez vs Taylor when I was 10.
Chavez has 3 or 4 great wins, and outside of that a lot of wins against tough but second second tier opponents.
what were his best wins? Taylor, Camacho? Roger Mayweather? Rosario

Canelo surpassed that long ago. and he rebounded from his loss a lot better than Chavez, who was essentially washed up the first time a decision didnt go his way.

Chavez owes alot of his status as greatest Mexican fighter to having a promoter as great and as flamboyant ad Don King.
imagine if Canelo had King out there on his behalf.

how long have you been watching boxing for?

 

If you watched Chavez-Taylor when you were 10, thats to young an age to really appreciate the nuances of the game.

I'm 53 years old, and been an avid fan since 1980.
I'm telling you right now, they dont come any better than a prime Julio Cesar Chavez. Chavez was the whole package, a blitzing offense along with grade A defense.

Golovkin is the type of fighter Chavez would have destroyed simply because Golovkin is not really a good inside fighter, he needs space to get his shots off, a prime Chavez eats those types of cats alive.
A prime Meldrick Taylor is as good as it gets, there's a case for Taylors handspeed being the best ever in history.
The eye test say's it all for me, Chavez was plain better in most categories than Canelo, and the most important thing to me was the knowing yourself as a fighter. Chavez knew his body better than almost any fighter I've ever seen.
Knew when to back off and when to pour it on. Trusted his physical conditioning, something that has been lacking in Canelo's Alvarez' career but that in the last a couple of years he's vastly improved on.
Just is'nt on the level of Chavez imo and thats not knocking Canelo, but I'll certainly re-evaute in a few more years to see where he's at.