Canelo is going to STOP Mayweather: His reign his over.

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  1. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    People keep using Ortiz as a reason why size isn't enough to beat Mayweather; however, Ortiz size was clearly giving Mayweather problems. Unfortunately for Ortiz, his size was not enough to compensate for his lack of intellect.

    I think it's worth mentioning that this was Mayweather's worst performance in years, considering he was throwing too many punches, relatively innaccurate, (despite falacious compubox claims), and Ortiz started to time him in the 4th round. Also, Ortiz is a southpaw, and Mayweather tends to get off balance against Southpaws, which probably won't be much of a factor in his fight against Canelo.

    Regardless of this, Ortiz size and strength was getting to Mayweather. In the fourth round, it even appeared to me that Mayweather was looking scared and overwhelmed, certainly surprised at Ortiz's ability to time him.

    Unlike Ortiz, Canelo will not use his size to lay on Floyd against the ropes, crowding himself, and allowing Floyd to score points by countering his shots, and simeltaneously wearing Canelo out, by allowing him to punch himself out.

    This will not be the case in this fight, because when they do go to the ropes, Canelo will step back, feint, and fire combinations then step back again. He'll also wait for Floyd to fire his own shot, so he can counter Floyd.

    He'll make Floyd incredibly uncomfortable against the ropes, and in danger of taking signficant punishment, unlike what we've ever seen before in his career, so this will not be an option for Floyd. He'll find out sooner than later that he cannot spend time on the ropes against this guy.

    So this means, he'll have to try to box Canelo in the center of the ring, but even then, Canelo's speed, and combination punching, as well as his style of crowding his opponent, but remaining defensively aware, make this a very difficult task. When Canelo starts firing his jab at unexpected moments, it could trigger Floyd to throw more punches than he usually does, like he did against Ortiz, which will give Canelo multiple opportunies to counter him.

    If Floyd stands with Canelo, he may land more often, but Canelo will land the harder punches and occasionally combinations that will turn heads, and potentially hurt Floyd.

    So what will Floyd do? He will get on his bike, start throwing single shots, use feints and angles, and his quick foot speed to get out of the way of Canelo, but unfortunately, this will be the only way he can beat Canelo.

    He'll have to play the roll of a traditional boxer, on his feet, constantly moving, never standing still, but Floyd hasn't done this for a very long time, and even then, he's 36 years old. Does Floyd have the legs to maintain this?

    Even then, in the mold of Julio Ceaser Chavez, Canelo will time him with the right cross or the right straight to the body, taking a toll on Floyd's stamina, and his psyche.

    If Floyd does manage to beat Canelo, he will have to go through hell to do it. If you thought Cotto beat Floyd up, you will be shocked at what Canelo will do. You will see Floyd touched in this fight like you've never seen him touched before.

    It's a big gamble to say Canelo stops Floyd, but Floyd is only human, and I think he may be underestimating Canelo, and does not realize that this is not Guerrero or even Cotto, which Floyd considered retiring after fighting, but this is a young, beast, with skill, style, and a size advantage.
     
  2. Mr Pibb

    Mr Pibb Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :rofl


    Alvarez is not a "beast" he couldnt even stop Mathew Hatton or what's left of Shane Mosely.

    He couldn't handle Trout on the inside and had to run around the ring .....hardly a beast.

    Just don't come with any excuses after Floyd clowns that trash:deal
     
  3. Kush

    Kush Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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  4. zulander

    zulander Boxing Addict Full Member

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    i thought Ortiz did fairly well against Mayweather and if handnt lost his head it would have been an interesting fight. Floyd was landing his right hands but Victor was just walking through em and he cought floyd more than once. Dissapointing how it ended

    Canelo is big and strong but i dont think he has the punch power to really trouble mayweather and there are issues over his stamina. i still feel the fight is firmly in floyds court
     
  5. Rock0052

    Rock0052 Loyal Member Full Member

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    Despite being a Canelo fan, I don't think he's got it in him. Floyd's the clear favorite for me.

    If he could somehow KO Mayweather, it'd be the best win in boxing I could remember personally seeing. Maybe I'm overrating Floyd H2H, but we're talking about an ATG who barely loses rounds anymore, let alone fights, despite everyone gunning for him. Anybody who can catch and KO him deserves a ton of credit.
     
  6. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Shane came in with extreme determination against Canelo, probably reeling from all the criticism he got from running for Pacquaio and being called a quitter.

    For his trouble, he took a beating of a lifetime that his corner should have stopped. Also, Canelo's stamina looked great in this fight, as he didn't show any sign of tiring, despite having a relatively heavy workrate.

    Trout came in that fight with the mindset that Canelo was going to come foward against him. He wanted to counter Canelo, but he found out that he had to make an adjustment. He tried to control range, but his punches fell short, and after taking some right hands, became increasingly afraid to commit.

    When he did try to smother Canelo and fight on the inside, he paid the price with accurate uppercuts, so I have to disagree that Canelo was ineffective on the inside.

    Regardless, southpaws, especially taller southpaws who are quick and prone to boxing and counterpunching are very difficult to fight and offer problems that orthadox fighters do not.

    Unless we say Mayweather switching stances, I don't think Canelo's performance against Trout has any signficant bearing on his fight against Mayweather at all.
     
  7. miniq

    miniq AJ IS A BODYBUILDING BUM Full Member

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    Ortiz and Guerrero suck


    But Canelo still ain't good enough - Almost drew against Trout.

    Mayweather
     
  8. Xerant

    Xerant Gotta Hate negociations! Full Member

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    Did not read... looked like u put the effort. Enjoy Mayweathers masterclass. Personally i think its bull**** draining a gassing man. Im a pissed *****. This is gonna be so EZ from 6 and up
     
  9. miniq

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    Yup after 6-7 rounds Mayweather should take control and start taking over offensively after winning most of the first 6 rounds through defence.
     
  10. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think people realize how much of a beating Floyd is going to take in this fight, even if he wins.

    I will say, yes, there is a possibilty that Canelo will be drained, and it's upsetting to the say the least, that Floyd opted to drain Canelo, after he hypocritically stated that he fights at his opponent's best weight class, knowning Canelo is a huge 154 lb fighter.

    But it is what it is, and I'm predicating this thread on the basis that Canelo is not affected by the 2 lbs.

    But back to my point, Cotto busted Floyd up, Canelo is going to really bust him up. Floyd is going to have fight for his life.
     
  11. kirk

    kirk l l l Staff Member

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    Youre a troll and Mayweather is gonna mop Canelo.
     
  12. the brown bomber

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    Yet Shane who has been in with both fighters was very dissmissive when asked if he thought Canelo could beart Floyd. He was trying to be political but you could tell the way he just pushed the question aside, he thinks Canelo has no chance.

    Even Nacho came out and said no chance.

    From the original post
    "So this means, he'll have to try to box Canelo in the center of the ring, but even then, Canelo's speed, and combination punching, as well as his style of crowding his opponent, but remaining defensively aware, make this a very difficult task."

    Canelo's speed is not close to the level of Floyd.
    Canelo's style of crowding his oppponent? When does he do this, he is not the throwback Mexican fighter like JCC.

    I do hope he keeps his combination punching, that would make the fight fun.

    Truth is Canelo should be a 8 to 1 underdog
     
  13. Xerant

    Xerant Gotta Hate negociations! Full Member

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    Busted??? A ****ing jab on the nose that drew blood. You think floyd was stuck on the rope vs cotto. Cinamon will get turn and turn.
     
  14. TJ Max

    TJ Max Boxing Addict Full Member

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    That's the thought process, but I believe it will be the other way around. The first 6 rounds, Canelo will opt to box with Mayweather, and in the first few rounds, when Mayweather is ad******g, Canelo will land a right cross or a combination that will stun Mayweather or be enough to win him the round.

    Perhaps, he'll test Mayweather early, put him against the ropes, and fire off combinations, and look for counterpunches, and that could be enough to win him the round.

    So, even early on, Canelo can win rounds. But his crowding, but patient and defensively aware, style, will allow him to retain his stamina, so around the halfway point of the fight, he can be more aggressive and force Mayweather to move more and rely on his older legs.

    This will be Mayweather's only chance at winning, to constantly move, throw mostly single shots, and use his quick feet to get away from any of Canelo's counter attacks.

    But like Ortiz, Canelo's size and explosivness will allow him to tag Floyd, especially in places, where Floyd will be surprised at being hit.

    His quickness is not enough to beat Canelo. He'll have to use his legs, his stamina. Not his reflexes.
     
  15. TJ Max

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    Obviously, I expect people to say Floyd will win, as he is the favorite. Some think he is an unbeatable God, but you will see that he can be beat, and he will be stopped.