Canelo is still in his prime, just no longer at his peak

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  1. AngryBirds

    AngryBirds Well-Known Member banned Full Member

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    Probably an unpopular opinion but I stand by it. There's a lot of people who think Canelo is no longer prime but I think it all depends on how you look at what prime means. I look at prime as being a stretch of a fighters career where they were at their best, but within that period exists a peak where they were at the top of their game. I kinda look at a fighters prime as being divided into three parts:

    Beginning - When they start rapidly improving.
    Peak - When they are at the very top of their game.
    Post-peak - No longer at the top of their game, but still very much prime.

    I believe Canelo is in his post-peak phase, which is to say he is still prime but no longer peaked. I think his prime began shortly after the Mayweather fight because of how much he rapidly developed, peaked during his 160 days and what we've been seeing of him at 168 is post-peak.

    Using Tyson as an example, I would say 86-90 was his prime years with 88 being when he was at his peak. 91 - 96 was his post-peak years which is to say he was still good and not that much worse than his peak years. He even said post-prison he was physically stronger and more aggressive which he did prove in the ring. However after the first Holyfield fight he was noticeably degraded in all departments. That is when I would define Tyson as no longer being in his prime period.

    Just my opinion on the matter.
     
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  2. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. banned Full Member

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    Canelo is similar to Manny in that regard. Back in 2010/11, it was clear that Manny was not the same he had been a few years prior, yet he was undoubtedly one of the 2 best in the world. At 32 he just wasn´t the same as he was at 28.
     
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  3. rawjones

    rawjones War ioka Full Member

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    reasonable take. I think the reason people are so critical of his performance is because he's calling out Bivol, but this post- peak Canelo is not showing any signs of being able to make adjustments to beat Bivol, so despite winning on the weekend he falls short of some people's expectations of him.
     
  4. ellerbe

    ellerbe Loyal Member Full Member

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    Eh I don't think Canelo is on an odee decline. Think about it, he couldn't stop Jacobs either and he didn't look exactly stellar. Even against Saunders he lost rounds. I think Ryder is just a tricky awkward customer.
     
  5. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. banned Full Member

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    I myself think Canelo is showing his age and it´s most evident when it comes to his punch output as he is no longer able to break the 500 mark.
    And he always shows fatigue in the later rounds.
    Hes 32 and it shows.

    But IMO he is still at the peak of his game and I myself believe he will once again show a change in style.
     
  6. Ted Stickles

    Ted Stickles Boxing Addict Full Member

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    IMO Canelo is not in his prime anymore he’s an old 32 physically. He’s been boxing since a very young age I believe he turned pro at 16. His age, wear and tear, and his family life and lifestyle have seemed to also become factors. Bivol would beat him easier than the first time. He should have one or two more fights at 168 and call it a day.
     
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  7. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    Pacquiaos prime was from Barrera to Margarito. But his peak was from Diaz to Cotto. He really was something else for that stretch.
     
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  8. tinman

    tinman Loyal Member Full Member

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    A fighter is usually past it when he turns 35 or after 15 or 16 years turning pro. So if you turn pro at 15, you're going to have a 35 year olds body and mileage at only 30 years old.
     
  9. Badbot

    Badbot I Am An Actual Pro. banned Full Member

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    And we got to see the very best of him vs De La Hoya.
    Oscar was clearly not 100% that night and it allowed for Manny to shine.
     
  10. Hanz Cholo

    Hanz Cholo Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Is defense & head movement is gone doe
    It was their for Jacobs & to some extent Saunders.
     
  11. Snails

    Snails Active Member Full Member

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    Canelo is very clearly past his prime but still a P4P talent.
     
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  12. MixedMartialLaw

    MixedMartialLaw combat sports enthusiast Full Member

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    Fair view but he's probably been in his post peak for some time now. His pure peak may have been during the first two GGG fights.
     
  13. DonnyMo

    DonnyMo Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Eh, he turns 33 in July. Nobody is prime at 33. It was obvious watching the last three fights.