Canelo is the overall better more complete fighter...

TheyDontBoxNoMore7 · Sep 18, 2017

No matter how you want to cut it.

Canelo landed the best overall "effective" shots. Irrefutable fact.

Canelo was the far better defensive fighter. Irrefutable fact.

Canelo has a higher ring IQ and is a better counter puncher. Irrefutable fact.

Canelo has far better head and foot movement. Irrefutable fact.

Canelo limited GGG to being a pressure-volume puncher wtf. GGG looked like Margarito this past Saturday. A guy who just comes forward and throws alot of punches walking into shots. His power was abysmal as well as his body punching again. Even the majority of his jabs had nothing on them. There were times G had Canelo looking like Floyd and Canelo was gassed.

While a good portion of you are celebrating a moral victory yet again. It's Ward/Kovalev scenario again except worse because there was no KD. We're still trapped going through the same motions of a broken record that's been played over and over again. We all know in our hearts who wins the rematch.

The truth is being avoided again. GGG is supposed to be a monster. He's supposed to be in contention with Hagar and SRR, not Danny ****ing Jacobs and Canelo.

Hes supposed to be the greatest of all time at cutting off the ring according to his minions yet past couple of days he like a good portion of you are crying Canelo doesn't fight "like a Mexican" and he moves. He followed Canelo around allowing Canelo to move where he wanted. He never pinned Canelo to the ropes at all who went to the ropes on his own accord.

Ggg is not the truth. I sold Canelo very short as a fighter. He proved me wrong big time. Still has stamina issues but he fought off the back foot and ropes very good. He evaded and made GGG miss tons of shots.

He even had ggg the monster of all monsters tentative when throwing punches. G did not commit to any punch fully, even his pity pat jabs. There was really only a few that actually snapped Canelo's head back.

We all know how this ends. They actually robbed Canelo intentionally to set up another big fight. I don't care about what Steven A Smith and the rest of the majority of the mob of idiots have to say. These people like most of you give guys rounds just because they move forward and throw punches.

Real boxing fans who actually know the scoring criteria know G is a lessor fighter than Canelo who many even myself thought or claimed to be a hypejob. If you guys care to continue this argument, post your rounds first. Then we'll do some real arguing.

UnleashtheFURY · Sep 18, 2017

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22JM · Sep 18, 2017

Of course he is, We all knew GG only advantage was size and power, Size is what kept GG from getting ktfo

GGGunbeatable · Sep 18, 2017

Every relevant voice in boxing except DLH and Hopkins >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> some insecure trolls on a boxing forum.

cincyjacket · Sep 18, 2017

All of that doesn't matter if you gas out like he did. He was the better fighter in spurts, but couldn't maintain it throughout the round or the fight.

GK BOX · Sep 18, 2017

R1 GGG
R2 Canelo
R3 CANEKO
R4 GGG
R5 GGG
R6 Split
R7 GGG
R8 GGG
R9 GGG
R10 Canelo
r11 GGG
R12 Canelo

GGG is the truth
One of the toughest ever at middleweight

Paranoid Android · Sep 18, 2017

TheyDontBoxNoMore7 said: ↑

No matter how you want to cut it.

Canelo landed the best overall "effective" shots. Irrefutable fact.

Canelo was the far better defensive fighter. Irrefutable fact.

Canelo has a higher ring IQ and is a better counter puncher. Irrefutable fact.

Canelo has far better head and foot movement. Irrefutable fact.

Canelo limited GGG to being a pressure-volume puncher wtf. GGG looked like Margarito this past Saturday. A guy who just comes forward and throws alot of punches walking into shots. His power was abysmal as well as his body punching again. Even the majority of his jabs had nothing on them. There were times G had Canelo looking like Floyd and Canelo was gassed.

While a good portion of you are celebrating a moral victory yet again. It's Ward/Kovalev scenario again except worse because there was no KD. We're still trapped going through the same motions of a broken record that's been played over and over again. We all know in our hearts who wins the rematch.

The truth is being avoided again. GGG is supposed to be a monster. He's supposed to be in contention with Hagar and SRR, not Danny ****ing Jacobs and Canelo.

Hes supposed to be the greatest of all time at cutting off the ring according to his minions yet past couple of days he like a good portion of you are crying Canelo doesn't fight "like a Mexican" and he moves. He followed Canelo around allowing Canelo to move where he wanted. He never pinned Canelo to the ropes at all who went to the ropes on his own accord.

Ggg is not the truth. I sold Canelo very short as a fighter. He proved me wrong big time. Still has stamina issues but he fought off the back foot and ropes very good. He evaded and made GGG miss tons of shots.

He even had ggg the monster of all monsters tentative when throwing punches. G did not commit to any punch fully, even his pity pat jabs. There was really only a few that actually snapped Canelo's head back.

We all know how this ends. They actually robbed Canelo intentionally to set up another big fight. I don't care about what Steven A Smith and the rest of the majority of the mob of idiots have to say. These people like most of you give guys rounds just because they move forward and throw punches.

Real boxing fans who actually know the scoring criteria know G is a lessor fighter than Canelo who many even myself thought or claimed to be a hypejob. If you guys care to continue this argument, post your rounds first. Then we'll do some real arguing.
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Take your agenda elsewhere, you POS. You just can't stand the fact that GGG beat a doped up, 185+ pound, prime version of Canelo while Floyd beat a green and drained 23 year old. Literally the reason you're pulling for Canelo. You know you don't really believe he won or is the superior boxer.

Rock0052 · Sep 18, 2017

Amen. You take away the size, the more punches landed, the conditioning, the workrate, the control of range, and a few other qualities, and GGG's got nothing on Canelo.

5/5 thread. Would open again.

Villain · Sep 18, 2017

Oh.. I like this new way of using "Irrefutable fact". Let me try...

Regardless of anything you said above, GGG won a clear decision in this fight. Irrefutable fact.

Seriously if it weren't for all the bull**** of the scoring and idiots trying to justify a Canelo victory, we could actually be discussing some of the areas I agree with you. But if you can't get over the fact that GGG won the majority of rounds then you're not worth further discussion.

CST80 · Sep 18, 2017

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GK BOX · Sep 18, 2017

Villain said: ↑

Oh.. I like this new way of using "Irrefutable fact". Let me try...

Regardless of anything you said above, GGG won a clear decision in this fight. Irrefutable fact.

Seriously if it weren't for all the bull**** of the scoring and idiots trying to justify a Canelo victory, we could actually be discussing some of the areas I agree with you. But if you can't get over the fact that GGG won the majority of rounds then you're not worth further discussion.
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Now the haters have the benefit of the draw. If they would have scored it right it would be "Canelo fought well but GGG pressure too effective"

boxon123 · Sep 18, 2017

Maybe they should change the rules of boxing just for Canelo so the rounds are only a minute twenty seconds!
No he would still gas out.

KiwiMan · Sep 18, 2017

It's amazing that some people still try to call GGG a hype-job or a fraud after the Canelo fight.

CST80 · Sep 18, 2017

And for the record, I CST80's score 116-112, yeah completely out of whack, so biased, look how off the mark I was compared to all these respected pundits, jpurnalists and boxers.......

OFFICIAL CARDS
Dave Moretti --------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Don Trella -----------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Adelaide Byrd -------------------------------> 118-110 Canelo

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Teddy Atlas --------------------------------> 118-110 GGG
Jeff Powell (UK Daily Mail) ----------------> 118-111 GGG
Mookie Alexander (Bloody Elbow) --------> 117-111 GGG
Brian Campbell (CBS) ---------------------> 117-111 GGG
Jack Rathborn (Mirror UK) ----------------> 117-111 GGG
Harold Lederman (HBO) ------------------> 116-112 GGG
Dan Rafael (ESPN) ------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Al Bernstein -------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bryan Graham (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-112 GGG
Gareth Davies (UK Telegraph) -----------> 116-112 GGG
Sergio Martinez ---------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Amir Khan ---------------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Matthew Macklin --------------------------> 116-112 GGG
Steve Lillis (BoxNation) -------------------> 116-112 GGG
Bob Velin (USA Today) --------------------> 116-112 GGG
Kevin McRae (Bleacher Report) -----------> 116-112 GGG
Shaun Al-Shatti (MMA Fighting) ----------> 116-112 GGG
Ryan Frederick (Wrestling Observer) ----> 116-112 GGG
Patrick Stumberg (MMA Mania) ----------> 116-112 GGG
Kevin Mitchell (Guardian UK) ------------> 116-113 GGG
Josh Taylor --------------------------------> 116-113 GGG
Joshua Bautsi -----------------------------> 116-113 GGG
Jordan Breen (Sherdog) ------------------> 115-112 GGG
Caleb Truax -------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Kevin Iole (Yahoo) ------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Gary Locket -------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Will Esco (Bad Left Hook) -----------------> 115-113 GGG
Phil Murphy (ESPN) -----------------------> 115-113 GGG
Mike Harris (SI) ---------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Paul Fontaine (Wrestling Observer) ------> 115-113 GGG
MMA Brazil ---------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Sean Sheehan (Severe MMA) -------------> 115-113 GGG
Rob Tatum (Combat Press) ----------------> 115-113 GGG
Patrick Wyman (Bleacher Report) ---------> 115-113 GGG
Joel Diaz ------------------------------------> 115-113 GGG
Max Kellerman -----------------------------> Golovkin
Lennox Lewis ------------------------------> Golovkin
Shane Mosley ------------------------------> Golovkin
Austin Trout --------------------------------> Golovkin
Paulie Malignaggi --------------------------> Golovkin
Enzo Macarenelli ---------------------------> Golovkin
Scott Cardle --------------------------------> Golvokin
Terence Crawford ---------------------------> Golovkin
Reece Bellotti ------------------------------> Golvokin
Liam Smith ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Peter Quillin --------------------------------> Golovkin
Liam Williams ------------------------------> Golovkin
Ohara Davies -------------------------------> Golovkin
Luke Campbell -----------------------------> Golovkin
Dave Coldwell ------------------------------> Golovkin
Badou Jack ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Kevin Kelly (boxer) -------------------------> Golovkin
Steve Kim -----------------------------------> Golovkin
Doug Fischer --------------------------------> Golovkin
Ring TV guy (name?) ----------------------> Golvokin
Michael Montero ----------------------------> Golovkin
James Brady (SB Nation) ------------------> Golovkin
Joe Rogan (UFC) ----------------------------> Golovkin
Jim Rome (sports broadcaster) ------------> Golovkin
Kovalev -------------------------------------> Golvokin
Chavez Jr -----------------------------------> Golovkin
Danny Jacobs -------------------------------> Golovkin
Murat Gassiev ------------------------------> Golovkin
Johnny Nelson ------------------------------> Golovkin
Rosie Perez ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Lou DiBella ---------------------------------> Golovkin
Tony Jeffries --------------------------------> Golovkin
Martin Samuel (UK Daily Mail) -------------> Golovkin
Lance Pugmire (LA Times) ----------------> 114-114 Draw
Chris Mannix (Yahoo) ---------------------> 114-114 Draw
Associated Press --------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Kenny Porter ------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Roy Jones ---------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Peter Fury ---------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Tommy Hearns ----------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Joe Cortez ---------------------------------> 114-114 Draw
Liam Happe (Yahoo Sport UK) -----------> 114-114 Draw
Steven Muehlhausen (Sporting News) ---> 114-114 Draw
Gilbert Manzano (Denver Post) -----------> 114-114 Draw
Boxing Clever (The Seen) ----------------> 114-114 Draw
De La Hoya --------------------------------> 115-113 Canelo
Bernard Hopkins --------------------------> 115-113 Canelo
Erik Morales -------------------------------> 117-111 Canelo (think he said; see video page 3)
Chavez Sr ---------------------------------> Canelo

Link to CompuBox (includes round-by-round data; scroll down):
https://www.theguardian.com/sport/l...golovkin-world-middleweight-championship-live

CompuBox ------> GGG landed about 50 more punches in the fight
CompuBox ------> GGG landed more punches in 10 of the 12 rounds
CompuBox ------> Canelo landed more power shots in 7 of the 12 rounds

My scorecard = 8-4/9-3 for GGG in the bout.
[116-112 or 117-111 for GGG]

I'll continue to add scorecards as people post them or I find them.

TOTALS through post #123 of the thread

68 = GGG won
12 = Draw
04 = Canelo won [includes 2 Golden Boy promoters]

68/84 = 81% had GGG winning the fight.

TheyDontBoxNoMore7 · Sep 18, 2017

Paranoid Android said: ↑

Take your agenda elsewhere, you POS. You just can't stand the fact that GGG beat a doped up, 185+ pound, prime version of Canelo while Floyd beat a green and drained 23 year old. Literally the reason you're pulling for Canelo. You know you don't really believe he won or is the superior boxer.
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It's not agenda. Canelo wasn't 185 lmao

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