Canelo is the overall better more complete fighter...

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  1. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    From my scorecard:
    R6 10-9 Golovkin Canelo tries to keep things in the center ring, but Golovkin pushes him back to the ropes. Golovkin is trying to knock Canelo out and forcing the pace. Canelo is playing defense and looking for spots. Ring generalship and effective aggression goes to Golovkin.
     
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  2. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Just took a quick look at the 1st rd. I saw 9 jabs landing for GGG, 1 jab, 2 body shots, 1 right upstairs for Canelo. (though video quality was bad so I might've missed some clean shots from either)

    Canelo really didn't throw anything for over 2 mins of the round, and G himself threw few power shots as well. It was a swing round. I prefer to favour the one with better workrate over the one who made the other miss and only landed a couple of shots. If It was 6 or 7 powershots from Canelo against 9-10 jabs from 3G, you'd be right but that wasn't the case. Canelo flurried once with a 5-6 punch combo but those shots were blocked as far as I saw. But you convinced me to rewatch the whole thing when I get a chance.
     
  3. rhin0z>

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    Rd 1: 10-9 Canelo
    Rd 2: 10-9 Canelo
    Rd 3: 10-9 Canelo
    Rd 4: 10-9 GGG
    Rd 5: 10-9 Canelo (best round of the fight, talent and skill wise both guys)
    Rd 6: 10-9 GGG ( too close to call really, gave to ggg more effective shots landed)
    Rd 7: 10-9 GGG (canelo poor stamina resting) (ggg going like smoking joe)
    Rd 8: 10-9 Canelo (Canelo opens up a can early, but ggg turns up heat late)
    Rd 9: 10-9 GGG (canelo poor stamina resting) (ggg going like smoking joe)
    Rd 10: 10-9 Canelo (great action round )
    Rd 11: 10-9 GGG (showing love they trade kidney and a nut shot)
    Rd 12: 10-9 GGG ( too close to call really, gave to ggg more effective shots landed)

    People mad at the judges, but this was a hard fight, hell pick any round you like other than 7&9 where canelo rested, and the round could have gone to either guy. depending on whether you like early starters or late bloomers. every round canelo came out blazing early then he rested, then its GGG turning up the heat late in the round. tough night for the judges.
     
  4. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Canelo's stamina and work rate is dreadful. The fight would not have been competitive if he was supremely conditioned to fight for the majority of every round.
    As it was he came away with a razor close draw boxing like a 45 year old Hopkins. Some of those middle rounds were coasted to conserve his energy and GGG still couldn't do anything to him.

    This leads me to believe prime Jones Jr and Hopkins would out a pasting on Triple G. I reckon prime Martinez would give him nightmares as well.
     
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  5. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    One more thing @shadow111, you have a valid point that people shouldn't be mocked for unpopular scorecards if they are willing to explain themselves articulately. That's fair. I hope I did not do this to you, if so, I apologize. However, in this thread the OP started that by calling the majority who scored it for GGG "a mob of idiots".
     
  6. Silver

    Silver The Champ is Here Full Member

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    Lol, bro you were crying about posting scorecards, now you want scrutinize it, go ahead. Anything from 116-112 GGG to 115-113 Alvarez is acceptable, there were several close rounds. But if you believe that 118-110 scorecard from that jackass of a judge was proper, then you're a dick rider plain and simple.
     
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  7. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I always felt that RJJ would beat Golovkin fairly easily, that's the consensus more or less. I don't agree with Hopkins, but I admit to being biased as I never liked Hopkins, I think that Hopkins wasn't that good H2H compared with how much he accomplished (i.e. he was very good for a long time but I don't like his style and I don't think his peak was that high).

    Prime Martinez we were discussing in the RBR thread. I like Martinez far more than GGG, and would hope he pulled it off. He's an amazing boxer, but if I have to pick, I think he's just a bit too fragile.
     
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  8. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Walking into shots while missing the majority of them is not better defense nor offense. G didn't dictate nothing. He was limited to pressure and volume punching for the simple fact he was getting countered and was not accurate with his punches, especially his big ones. He didn't cut off the ring and Canelo went to the ropes mostly on his own accord which he was also able to leave when he wanted too.
     
  9. KiwiMan

    KiwiMan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Or, people mad at Adalaide Byrd. She deserves it. I don't think Don Trella got a lot of heat.
     
  10. theanatolian

    theanatolian Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    On a side note, I really liked that jab to the body from GGG in the 1st round. He should've threw a lot more of those for the remaining of the fight.
     
  11. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Hopkins in his prime could produce 4 rounds of Canelo activity in a single round. His stamina and workrate was insane and he was much bigger and far more physically imposing than Canelo. I see him having little success against the relentless Nard that stopped the unstoppable Johnson in 1997.
     
  12. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh I think you have some very valid points,the younger 27 yr old Canelo showed his class at the end I thought when he actually stopped running but if I were a Canelo fan he'd drive me round the bend with his rest periods as he always does the same thing,fast start and then from round four allows his opponents back in.
    Now then the question that should be asked is does he do this in the knowledge that one judge is already in the bank or is it a condition thing as it doesn't matter how you call it and as it goes I agree Canelo did have the eye catching shots but that's only one criteria of how a round is judged so the aggressor,work rate ect had to go with Golovkin.

    Personally I reckon after such a good fight from both fighters I think it's a shame that the corrupt judge is the talk of the fight,I do feel GGG edged it but honestly I don't think a draw was a bad call just how they got there is all.
    One things for sure and that without a knockout GGG has next to no chance getting a win and on BBC sport today they said after that judging farce Canelo will actually win big next time.
    I swear I hate this sport at times.
     
  13. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Lol you do know don't you that Canelo is the only 27 yr old that just keeps on growing lol
     
  14. UnleashtheFURY

    UnleashtheFURY D'oh! Full Member

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    @TheyDontBoxNoMore7 is one of the biggest and most fanatical detractors of GGG and fighters like him. For anyone unaware of this fact, don't pay much attention to this clown!
     
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  15. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Yes. His power is overrated and so are his p4p skills and boxing IQ. Today he's crying how Canelo ran too much although he's supposedly the best at cutting off the ring. He's not ATG and he doesn't deserve p4p top 3. Canelo is the smaller guy. With his resume and showings against Jacobs and Canelo who both were supposed to be easy KO's, he doesn't live up to the hype and that's a true statement.

    So when someone doesn't live up to the hype, what does that make them. A hypejob. This crying about robbery is just people not seeing the guy they hate (in this case Canelo) lose.

    If you actually have a case explaining why G is not a hypejob, please state it. You act like he just schooled Canelo all the while getting more busted up in the process and not effectively doing what he does that he's suppose to be the best at. Canelo showed the most improvement this fight while G showed the greatest decline and was very limited in that process, even in his hyped up jab.