Canelo is the overall better more complete fighter...

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by TheyDontBoxNoMore7, Sep 18, 2017.


  1. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I always felt bringing up Floyd and GGG was just silly anyway as the size difference just too big but re Floyd he's a one off and he when he talks about guys being straight up n down he actually means everyone but himself lol
     
  2. lewis gassed

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    Even Dougie Fisher who was doing commentary for Ring TV PPV said it could have been GGG round and that crew was clearly biased towards Canelo.
    There was nothing special about round 1, GGG won it.
     
  3. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    So funny. Canelo also was landing pull counters on GGG. He was slipping, deflecting a lot of G's shots which is why he didn't end up getting hurt at all. A bunch of you are clowns and will be eating your words in the rematch. As always, talk tough now, cry more later.

    Canelo is now the new hated guy just as Ward and Floyd were. He earned me as a fan because I didn't like him before. He obviously learned from Floyd and executed a lot of stuff I didn't think he was capable of.

    This just adds to his overall legacy. He made a monster look like an inept brawler and it will be worse during the rematch. I will be doing a permanent ban bet day of. We'll see how many of you so called confident G fans accept the challenge. This is nothing new when dealing with media creations who are built into larger than life figures.
     
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  4. Ken Ashcroft

    Ken Ashcroft Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yet blind judges were what kept GG from getting the deserved win.
     
  5. JohnnyDrama99

    JohnnyDrama99 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Alvarez has learned some things from Floyd. The pull counter being one of them. He uses it more since his defeat. Alvarez isn't hated more now since getting a gift on Saturday. He still has a massive following, they just aren't buying that he beat or deserved a draw against GGG. His legacy is strong even with this hanging over his head and he'll have a chance to erase this stain should he accept the rematch.

    I think some are able to debate who landed the more clean/effective punches between GGG and Alvarez. Based on the qualities and styles. Golovkin's punches don't look hard, but they can't be weak based on his KO percentage. The speed and flashy punches Alvarez throws make it hard to NOT notice. They look great and sound great but with regards to their effect, I think GGG's had more of an impact in their fight.

    The defense arguement is also debatable. Nelo has an edge based on style. He's more of a counter puncher but overall, the blend of Offense and defense with GGG makes him very solid from a defensive perspective. In totality, Alvarez landed less punches on GGG, but his connect percentage was slightly better, 31% vs 33%. There's not a huge disparity there defensively between the two looking just at their fight against each other.

    The ring IQ is also debatable for the simple fact that no one has beaten GGG and in the fight on Saturday there's little dispute as who controlled the fight and who should have won. Alvarez is definitely an intelligent boxer but the same can be said on behalf of Golovkin. He's very cerebral. Taking his time, placing his punches well and using great punch selection. As a counter puncher I think Alvarez is better, but that has a lot to do with his speed. GGG lacks in that area but makes up for it in timing.

    Regarding head and foot movement I think Alvarez has the better head movement and GGG has better footwork....Maybe not better, but more effective to complement his style. He was by far more effective cutting off the ring on Alvarez this past Saturday who had a hard time keeping distance between him and GGG no matter how hard he tried.

    GGG applies an intelligent pressure not to be confused with just an unconscious, plodding pressure that Margarito is known for. If that were true, Canelo would have landed 40% or higher instead of finding the mark only 33% of the time.

    Canelo and GGG are both top boxers who deserve accolades for their accomplishments. Are either of them on level with guys like SRR or Ali? No...of course not. But they are two of the best boxers of this era.
     
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  6. Silver

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    Great post bro. Not much separates these two even with their different styles. Sadly fanboys of both boxers won't understand what you said. This no different from the days of the mayweather vs. Pacquiao fanboy debates.
     
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  7. JohnnyDrama99

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    Appreciated. I agree.....this definitely feels like the May/PAC hysteria. I'm looking forward to a trilogy....it looks as though this rivalry will be one that includes everything...controversy included
     
  8. Angler Andrew

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    Where are you getting this Canelo is hated thing from cause from what I can see he's gotten respect for facing GGG,fighting a very competitive fight and as you say landing the big eye catching shots,the only hate I see is for the inept judge which is a shame.

    The only thing I could see that would annoy folk inc his fans is all the pre fight talk of going for the KO but I wouldn't hold that against him as he did land some bombs,there's a 30second vid of him landing a bomb on GGG and the look on Canelos eyes is priceless as if to say how you still here lol.
    Why does anyone have to eat their words,I mean do you not realise how this comes across?99% believe GGG was robbed,he stopped Canelo from stealing the rounds in those last 30 seconds of each round and yet you seem to come across like we should all feel terrible for seeing it this way or even god forbid enjoy Golovkins skill cause make no mistake that jab of his is pure class.

    So could you care to explain why you use such drama re words like cry now and talking tough ect?
    By the way I'd say that's the best Canelo we've ever seen and yet he still faded mid rounds like he always does and got outworked by a much older guy,these are facts and not some bias opinion,that Canelo had those championship rounds in him tells me it's much more of a habit than actually gassing out per say.
     
  9. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Lmao. I was going to respond earlier but started talking rounds. Like how you did that.

    1.) Canelo not only landed the better quality shots but also the hardest. Evennthe face of both fighters proves this as Canelo's shots did more visible damage. G's face was more busted up. Once again irrefutable fact. He also caused G to reset more after landing more so than G made him reset. G even almost hit himself with his own hook after getting hit at one point in the fight.

    2.) Defensively G landed "no" shot with full power. He had to shoot more measured punches in this fight than any other fight he's been in before. The reason for this is because of Canelo's uncredited counterpunching which made G tentative to return fire but also Canelo has leveled up his defense as far as slipping, blocking and rolling shots.

    This was showcased more against GGG than any one of his other fights with smaller men and other lessor opponents. Before he looked like Broner trying to emulate Floyd. This fight he looked more mastered at that craft.

    G's power was more nullified greatly due to these two factors and let's not forget the numerous times G flat out missed catching nothing but air. They're really obvious. As stated earlier, the guy almost hit himself in the face with his own hook.

    Punchstats try to make it seem G was right with Canelo in hit percentage but we all know compubox is now used for agenda and it's not reliable any more especially in recent years. I don't care, I saw with my own eyes what G was landing and not landing. He was not that effective. Numbers are definitely padded.

    3.) Ring intelligence you're giving to G. Sorry but G was limited to the jab being his most effective punch and he got credited for a lot that did not land whether they were blocked or caught shoulder or arm or glancing. There were not many solid jabs that snapped Canelo's head back. This is irrefutable fact. I even watched biased aratorias punch count video and it did not do much justice to G as well.

    I know I veered off topic but only because here's my point. Canelo was the ring general. G did not force him to the ropes. Canelo went on his own terms. G rarely even attempted body shots while the tired Canelo was on the ropes because Canelo was making him miss. He had to resort to little putty pat jabs that didn't have much power on them.

    When Canelo decided he wanted to get off the ropes he did so on command and it was very often. G would even let him off the ropes in some instances because he was not being effective.

    As far as cutting off the ring, G did more following than cutting off. He's even crying about Canelo running and not fighting like a Mexican. He also walked into a lot of counters. There was little intelligent pressure. The more intelligent fighter was Canelo in counter punching and in getting GGG to follow him.

    The rounds that GGG did win was due to effort and will and Canelo not being active. Not because he was successfully setting up traps and landing timed shots. Canelo did more of that which is why he landed the better counter shots and punches overall. Sorry. That's a myth just like G's hype. He's not an ATG and in reality he's not a p4p fighter.

    His decline has gone hand in hand the minute he stepped up in class of opposition But regardless Canelo did display even while during fatigue the better ring IQ and overall ability.
     
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  10. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Bro not too long ago a very similar situation occurred between Kov and Ward. This is a broken record. Kov would never fight Ward. Ward would never move up and challenge himself although this same standard was never applied to Kov. Ward was the Aside no matter how you want to cut but people are siding with the B side because of whatever reasons. They fight. We finally get to see or confirm kinks in the people's champ game and and so and so was robbed. Majority of people and media believed the people's champ won. This **** even happened with Floyd Pac. It's the same ****. And typically these guys are hyped up and people try to give them whatever little moral victory. A low blow. A phantom injury. In this case a bad scorecard.

    It's getting ****ing old. The same people play the same sides. Cry about corruption and robbery. We all know who is going to win just like we all knew who was going to win between Floyd/Pac, Kov/Ward and now Canelo/GGG. All this controversy and people crying know the rematch isn't going to be a more clear cut victory for Canelo so why play like it's not.

    Manny/Kov/GGG were all suppose to be bogeymen who will KO people and they fall short. When are people going to get tired of playing this game. Why do we even need to go through the motions. It's old and it's a rerun. It's a waste of energy. G came forward and took the middle rounds after giving up the early rounds. Canelo won the championship rounds when it mattered and G is nothing but another victim to corruption, judges and the "bad" guy has won again. The "white" knight was screwed again.
     
  11. PH|LLA

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    Dude do you realize that Canelo didn't win.
     
  12. PhillyPhan69

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    I scored a similar but opposite way. I scored 1 even instead of G....6 for Canelo instead of even...and 11 for Canelo

    Not a fan of either guy but certainly an appreciator of both. GGG is a tough MW I agree. Great fight, a shame that it is marred by controversy...cant wait for the rematch
     
  13. TheyDontBoxNoMore7

    TheyDontBoxNoMore7 Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    He did and he will win the rematch easier.
     
  14. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You're a really solid troll mate. I'll give you that much
     
  15. Mr Icaman

    Mr Icaman 32-0 WBC Champ, Ring + Lineal HW Champ Full Member

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    Man you got your panties in a big knot over this didn't you. I might be time to go and do something else for a while..