Canelo is the overall better more complete fighter...

Was interested in your point up until here.

"more merit than walking forward and throwing punches regardless if those punches are effective or not"

Biggest crop of sh*t I've heard all year. If anything offense and defense are equal parring in scoring criteria. Muppet!

 

So you're saying anyone who hates this corruption in boxing should just accept it cause from where I'm sitting sure in my heart I knew the judging would be off but it still hurts every time.
To be honest the draw I can live with as GGG didn't impress me that much but you can't just call out everyone for not liking a clear dodgy card and just to reiterate it's not like they're in the minority,the general consensus is that this was a great fight marred by a bad ref,none won more than eight rounds on either side so just cause it doesn't play out like you thought you can't just call out everyone and really why care if some think he's "bad guy"I've never got the excuse that so many troll out when they say I used to like so and so but his fans have turned me off bla bla like you've no mind of your own and would let the opinions of others get in the way.
For the record I'm well on board with Canelo after the other night as he's finally in his true division against those his own size,Kell Brook,Amir Khan could of been killed and if anything the other night showed how truly dangerous both guys are,only their chins saved em imo.

 

Fair point so why is it judges hardly ever score rounds even?

 

Based on your response you obviously view things through your own unique lens....outside of reality.

Both Alvarez and GGG's faces showed signs of being in a fight. You as a boxing fan should know you don't judge a winner on what they look like after the fight, because some fighters mark up more than others. A boxing match is scored round by round....not who bares more bumps and bruises.

Not sure what you mean by Nelo causing GGG to reset more....Alvarez was on his heels the majority of the 36 mins of action. He never controlled the fight because he was defensive and reacting to the onslaught that GGG was dishing out. Alvarez had to find spots to get off which was few and far between. Golovkin made the fight incredibly uncomfortable for Nelo leaving him with little to no breathing room which is why he never got into his rhythm and was fighting GGG's fight the entire night.

GGG shot punches with full force....he just could land due to good defense on behalf of Alvarez and even more back peddling. Nelo and GGG both slipped a lot of punches...Nelo moreso simply because GGG was by far the more active and aggressive fighter inside the ring that night. To say he mastered the style Floyd perfected is silly. He got tagged WAY too much to make that assertion. That's a slap in the face of Floyd. Him and GGG are good defensively....Floyd is great. Canelo also flat out missed a lot of punches hitting nothing but air but of course GGG missed a lot more in totality because was the busier guy. From and percentage stand point, these two landed just about the same so their efficiency was on par with one another. The punch stat numbers aren't always accurate, true. After rewatching and recounting, it showed GGG landing a lot more than he got credit for...it showed Nelo landing more as well, but not as dramatic of a difference which makes sense. The cards reflected what compu box reflected. That their agenda was in favor of Nelo....the more popular boxer who generates more revenue.

Ring IQ goes beyond offense or just a single punch....but the most important offensive weapon for intelligent fighters is the jab....because everything works off the jab...offense and defense. It's not an irrefutable fact that Alvarez didn't get caught by a lot of stuff GGG jabs. The reality is, he was hit more in this fight with jabs, cleanly than by any one else, including Floyd. To say GGG didn't force Alvarez to the ropes is like saying Alvarez didn't fight off the back foot. When GGG cut off the ring and cornered Alvarez it wasn't because Nelo went there and called him in..GGG was in pursuit and throwing punches that Nelo had to defend against while in retreat. His corner even told Alvarez to stay off the ropes multiple times in between rounds. They told him to stay in the center of the ring.

If all GGG was throwing were pitty pat jabs, the question becomes, why couldn't Alvarez capitalize on someone throwing weak jabs that he really didn't have to worry about? Was it really necessary to be back peddling so much...more than ever before, against every other opponent to avoid "pitty pat" punches? Obviously Nelo implemented the back peddling because those punches were effective and he had to mitigate risk by creating distance. GGG said Nelo was running because Of how he decided to fight....a lot of people said he ran. Not just GGG. It didn't mean Golovkin wasn't successful at cutting off the ring with intelligent pressure and footwork. As much as Alvarez found his back to the ropes and as many miles he put on the ring odometer that night proves that to be true.

Alvarez did well in spots....just not enough spots to have a case for anyone to claim he won or deserved a draw. He did lay some nice traps...sure. But GGG gave him MORE than enough opportunities to capitalize on laying traps, yet Alvarez only landed at 33%? Every time a boxer throws a punch, there's a counter opportunity. GGG threw a lot, giving Nelo ample opportunities to control the ring and his opponent but instead....GGG took advantage of Canelo's overly cautious and defensive mode which allowed him to be the ring general that night. Canelo was fatigued which a lot of that was self inflicted, right? He chose to go those miles to try to keep distance in between him and GGG....but GGG also can take credit based on the number of punches landed and his unrelenting pursuit that wore Alvarez down mentally as well as physically.

 

Canelo is a good, but not great fighter.

 

Canelo is the overall better boxer but I wouldn't say the "more complete" for the simple fact that other attributes(heart, determination, stamina, etc) that GGG displayed that night made him the better fighter, "more complete" if you will.

 

I don't think he's a troll. He's a little too articulate and committed to his personal logic. Trolls dash off a sentence of incendiary diatribe and just stop by to stoke the flames with their quips. TheyDon't is writing a manifesto. He's an extreme minority but the dude obviously believes his bull****. And like it or not he is sticking to his guns despite overwhelming pressure. You got to respect the cojones for that, even if maybe you don't respect the illogical prism he's seeing the world through, or think he's maybe a little stubborn for not changing an opinion in the face of mounting evidence. There's always going to be someone who views things differently from the majority, a small group of dissenting contrarians. Hell, we got people who don't believe in evolution, global warming, people who think 9/11 was an inside job, etc. So no, I sincerely doubt that TheyDon't is a troll. I think he's a particularly strong believer in a certain style of boxing, call it the Mayweather/Hopkins/Whitaker/Leonard style which has always been at war with the Pacquiao/Jones/Chavez/Hagler style.

 

Actually I did. You must have missed it. I said GGG did show signs of being hit, so did Nelo. They were in a fight so that's a byproduct. However, some people mark up easier than others so you can judge who won a boxing match based on who has more bruises at the end of a match that goes the distance. You judge who wins on what happens in each individual round. Come on now....no one judges the winner of a fight based purely on what they look like after the sound of the final bell.....unless you have an objective or clutching at straws to make a case for a conflicting argument

 

Yep! That's @TheyDontBoxNoMore7 alright!

 

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Both look like they have been in a scrap, neither look worse that the other tbh.

Like I said earlier you need to have a spell you are just starting to look silly...