Canelo looked off tonight.....weight drained possibly?

I respectfully disagree. Canelo is a damn-fine fighter who ran into a style that when implemented by the right type of fighter no one in boxing has proven they have solved. Nevertheless, Canelo did some things right tonight.

#1 Canelo took control of his fight and stayed on plan.

#2 Canelo used the Jab relatively effectively.

I go to give Canelo credit for that.

 

His opponent was Mayweather. That was his problem.

 

Nah be honest, there is nothing special about Canelo. Man you are just a Floyd fan, that wants to hype Canelo.

 

Actually, I used to be a Pacquiao fan until he lost against Marquez and wouldn't admit why it really happened. I mean, when I heard that Marquez had Angel Herida as his trainer, I was amazed that Roach didn't insist that the fight be delayed until Manny could get his own chemist.

 

LOL, you are lying, be honest

 

Naw, you're way off base, here.

There should not have been a cw for a 154 lb title, and Floyd should not have asked for one as it will forever put a (small) asterisk beside this W, just as Pac should not have asked Cotto for the two lbs in their fight.

But in both cases, the difference the cw made was negligable, probably more psychological than physical.

Both Floyd and Pac would have won without the cw.

Floyd was just too fast for Canelo and could land too easily. None of his shots did any significant damage to the hardy Mexican, even when he landed flush, but they count for clean, clear scoring and they made Canelo look bad and Floyd look masterful.

The other half of the deal was that Floyd was very elusive. Canelo could not land his best shots cleanly. Floyd's chin took all of what Canelo dished out without buckling.

I don't think he could take Canelo's best, properly landed, but he didn't need to, as his defence was just too good.

A repeat match in two or three years time could well have a very different result. Canelo would have gained some useful experience and Floyd would probably have slowed down.


But as of last night, cw or no cw, Floyd clearly demonstrated that he is the best in the world at 147 and 154.

 

Right, and this is the most significant point in your post. You're right. Floyd is the best*. The best...asterisk. This fight had no meaning since it wasn't a 154 lb title fight. Floyd was given Canelo's belt before the fight even started. It's a completely shame and a disgrace to boxing.

You're missing the point here completely. We don't need to wait 2 or 3 years. If they fought at 154 in December, it could have a very different result. Canelo is fully capable of beating FMJ now. The problem was that he was forced to drain weight after FMJ said he don't drain fighters like Pacquiao did. That's why it's not just a little asterisk, but it's a big asterisk, and it puts an asterisk over Floyd's entire career, and that's unfortuante. He's proven himself to be a hypocrit and someone who doesn't believe in a level playing field. He believes because he's rich he's entitled to advantages in the ring and that's not what boxing is supposed to be about.

You are contradicting yourself. Last night, it wasn't "cw or no cw". Last night, it was catchweight...as you said asterisk. Floyd did not demonstrate that he is the best in the world at 154, because he didn't fight at that weight. Had he beaten Canelo at 154, then he could say that. He isn't a legit 154 champion because he wouldn't fight the 154 Champ at 154 lbs. That's why Canelo is still the 154 champ. FMJ stole his belt before the fight even happened. FMJ defended Canelo's 154 belt at a 152 catchweight. What a sham.

 

This is near complete rubbish.

The fight SHOULD have been contested at 154, but to say the 2lb difference made it meaningless is absolute garbage. Canelo weighed in 1.5 lb lighter than he did for Trout. There was nothing in the unfolding last night to suggest that an extra 24 ounces would have enabled Canelo to much alter the result.

I'm in agreement that Floyd did clearly demonstrate some hypocrisy in saying one thing and doing another, and I've already pissed on him for that.

But you're going off frothing at the mouth with horse**** like...

"... it's a big asterisk, and it puts an asterisk over Floyd's entire career,"


An asterisk over his ENTIRE CAREER ?



Get the fu ck outta here...

No, I'm not contradicting myself as I clearly opined that the cw, while regretable, did not make the difference last night.

If I was in charge of things (not likely, anytime soon), neither Floyd nor Pac would have been awarded 'belts' for their respective wins over Canelo and Cotto.

But in neither case would the weight of a couple of big macs made much difference. And that's what makes both Pac's and Floyd's decision to ask for a cw so unfortunate.

I am quite confident that cw or no cw, Floyd is the world's best at 147 and 154.

 

I am not sure but I think Canelo weighed around 165 against Lopez, only really the Trout fight he has weighed more.

 

Canelo looked stronger then Mayweather did. The size difference was definitely noticeable. He's just not a better fighter then Floyd. In the post fight he said nothing about him being weight drained or unhealthy. His response was Floyd is intelligent, he's a great fighter and he couldn't hit him. If Canelo was any heavier it would of played more against him then for him, because he would of been slower.

 

There are levels in boxing. As you step up in class, you most likely look different

Lets review. Canelo looked beast like vs josesito

He looked good vs mosley

He looked ok vs trout

He looked out of sorts vs floyd

Huge step up in class

 

sad little excuse making italian...:rasta

imagine if Canelio was chugging around the ring at 171lbs.....he would have been more of a sitting duck that he already was.

 

agree!

 

152 was Canelito's idea...:deal

 

If you aren't taking anything away from Floyd then this thread shouldn't exist.
Floyd won fair and square and there shouldn't even be a debate.