Canelo lost to Erislandy Lara .

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by MrPR, Jul 21, 2014.


  1. MrPR

    MrPR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    As a fan of Canelo , What I saw with my own eyes this Saturday night was a VERY CLEAR LOSS .

    I had it 116/112 Lara .

    Canelo cannot say all Lara did was run when he was the only fighter getting his head popped back with 1,2s all night .

    For all of you that are saying Lara ran as well , guess what ?

    He STILL landed the more effective punches while running . That says a lot .

    If you scored the fight 115/113 for Canelo . I have a problem with that .

    If you scored the fight 114/114 a DRAW . I have a problem with that .

    To win a decision , a fighter needs to AT LEAST win 7 rounds and theres just no way in hell anyone can score Canelo 7 rnds .

    I repeat THERES NO WAY YOU CAN GIVE HIM 7 ROUNDS .



    I for one am definitely not a fan of Lara's style , I don't like it . his style of fighting is not my preference , but dammit its effective .

    Other then a couple of bodyshots ( A lot of em were NOT landing cleanly) and that 1 uppercut that cut Lara eye .

    Canelo did not do nothing else . He did not do enough to win that fight .

    Lara made Canelo look bad , made him miss wildly and made him pay for it most of the time .

    Canelo was ineffective the majority of the fight and did not deserve the win .
     
  2. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I thought Lara won also but two of the judges didn't and that's what really matters.
     
  3. MrPR

    MrPR Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Honestly , No what the judges say most of the time don't matter .


    We all know what we saw and witness .

    We all saw Canelo lost , and whenever the topic of Lara/Canelo is brought up , Everyone is going to remember that .
     
  4. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    People can look at the same thing and see something completely different. I thought Lara won but have no problem with someone that thought Alvarez won. The judges do matter because now Alvarez is moving on with another victory and Lara has a loss and is about to be avoided like the plague because of their decision.
     
  5. Capitan

    Capitan Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    The sports venue I watched this at had about 80% Opie Canelo crowd.

    They were very nervous and had resigned themselves to an Opie loss!

    I had Lara winning!!!
     
  6. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    You truly have to be an expert to judge the effectiveness of body shots, you are not going to see anything on the obvious level as a head shot. Such as, head snapping, imagine shots to the head created no kind of snapping. You would then only be left with far more subtle nuances on which to score from just like body shots. Those subtleties would be a slight change in rhythm, a barely noticeable pause in activity, an overall drop in activity or strength out put, slight or not slight drop of hands, slight facial expression change,slight retreat etc.

    Fact is body shots are the hardest thing to score because it's far easier for the fighter to fool you into believing he was not effected, there will be no snap, no blood, no swelling, no bruising, if you're lucky you may get some reddening. Judges have an extremely uphill battle to score body shots, they have to take the most slightest of clues and add them up to give them an accurate picture of what is actually happening to the body punch recipient and I think they do a great job of that in most cases, and I believe they did here.
     
  7. icha

    icha Active Member Full Member

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    116-112 ihave a problem with that, and you either have a problem with boxing or have a problem with your eyes...
     
  8. chitownfightfan

    chitownfightfan Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't think so.

    I rewatched it, and did the punch #s, and had Lara out in front by almost 2-1 after 5 rds. By the time the 10th came around, Lara was only ahead by 18 punches, and only 19 at the end of the fight.

    When most of your landed shots are jabs, as opposed to what appear to judges, clean body shots, your'e not going to get the nod against the A side.

    I scored it for Lara 8-4 on fight night and had it 7-5 on rewatching it. But, like I said.....the judges were going to score that fight for Canelo if Lara didnt force them to look his way.

    I have reconciled my hate for Canelo and I accept the decision of the judges.:think
     
  9. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    The fight was fought in 2 halfs

    First have was controlled by Lara second by. Canelo I could easily have see this a draw ..
     
  10. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    We all knew this would happen. Canelo is a new golden boy. Popular, Mexican, marketability.

    Lara has skills like Rigondeaux, but he isn't popular. He was chosen because Canelo has enough durability to last 12 rounds with him whilst making it look close to the ppv buyers. Then you get the announcers swinging off his nuts each time he lands anything and ignoring Lara's counter punches and skills. Buy two judges and there's a great investment.

    That's why we will all migrate to ufc after boxing has had the life sucked out of it by the Arums, Floyds, and Oscars of the boxing world.
     
  11. OC IRISHMAN

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    I saw Canelo missing with slow late punches. He looked off balance and awkward as he swang at the air. Even falling into the ropes . The decision was financial as Canelo is a huge draw. If it was Floyd that performed that night with the same performance as Lara
    the Judges would have awarded Floyd the win. Oscar will make more from a Canelo decision than a decision for Lara. Although I really believe Canelo should have no problem winning big money for quit some time. Who else is a Mexican star? Not Chaves Jr.
     
  12. jim jim

    jim jim Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    i thought lara won by 1 round but you cant say he was snapping canelos head back all night he wasnt and he did run and by running i mean just avoiding canelo in such big distances that they could not engage and he did this for large spells. Canelo landed excellent body shots where he got his full weight behind them.
     
  13. cslb

    cslb Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I can't say that. One judge in that fight ruled it a tie and I had a hard time giving Alvarez two rounds against Mayweather.
     
  14. Villain

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    I just got a chance to finally watch this fight. I wanted Canelo to win and I strongly prefer his style to Lara's. Having said that, I scored this fight for Lara by 2 rounds. Canelo needs to learn how to cut off the ring better in order to impose himself against these pure boxer types.
     
  15. Just Rik

    Just Rik Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This a true and fair point, I know IB will be around to call me a buffoon but, I always try to score a fight in the manner I believe the judges will score it. Meaning, if there is an obvious A-side I will take into consideration that the judges will be leaning on what he does to give the round to him, if it appears they can get away with giving him a round then I will give him the round. I do this because I enjoy coming as close as I can to the scorecards and because I don't want to be shocked or angry at the decision. As it stands if I'm not dead on the average of the final tally of judges I am seldom a round or two off. Also, the bigger the A-side in comparison to the B the harder the lean.