Canelo-Mayweather 2- What would it take

If Floyd announced he was coming back to fight Saunders at 160 with Canelo to fight the winner, that`s the only way Floyd would have the pulling power that Saunders has at 160, but I don`t think Saunders or Canelo will ever fight at 160 ever again though and there`s no way Floyd could carry 168 that well at all.

 

I don`t think Leonard was that great at 160 or Duran, they were just very good, Canelo is showing signs of being an ATG at 160 or 168, Duran and Ray never gave any good performances at 168 they were both better the lower down the weights they fought at.

 

Mayweather won the first fight at worst 10 rounds to 2 most sane people had it scored 11 rounds to 1. What would be the point?

 

The judges had it scored 9 rounds to 3, 8 rounds to 4, and 6 rounds to 6. Your at worst 10 rounds to 2 is wider than any judge had it. You've given in to the delusional mob slobbering over Mayweather. He did not win the match that wide.

 

He did not score a draw either and if you really believe that, then we can both see who the delusional one is...

 

yeah that 6-6 scorecard was real accurate. 9-3 is very close to 10-2. Obviously my card is much more in line with reality than the 6-6 card. It’s why there is no point in fighting Canelo. The cards are stacked against you even when the fight isn’t close and the Mayweather - Canelo fight was not close at all. It was a blow out.

 

We have a disconnect between the official judges and the fans / press who think they know better than the official judges. That doesn't mean the official judges are always right, this is very open to interpretation but by in large they are more accurate than fans or press scoring who take agendas and biases into their scoring.

Fans commonly act like they know better than the judges, like this poster saying that Mayweather Canelo was 11 to 1 or at worst 10 to 2. With Canelo in particular, this forum is notorious for believing that judges have some kind of allegiance to Canelo which according to them is unfair and inaccurate. Many claim Saunders can't win a decision, etc. This is total delusion. Whether it's Mayweather Canelo being 11 to 1 instead of 8 to 4, 9 to 3 or 6 to 6. Whether it's GGG beating Canelo in their first match instead of Canelo winning or a draw being reasonable, whether it's Kovalev being ahead at the time of the stoppage instead of Canelo, we see a constant theme of fans on this forum not giving Canelo close rounds, and making arguments that there's some kind of judging conspiracy that makes it impossible to beat Canelo on the cards.

This all stems from the perception of Mayweather Canelo. In what was a close fight, spun into a Mayweather schooling or domination by the press and by Mayweather fans has led us to this fallacy that still exists. It needs to be rectified at the source, which is the scoring of Mayweather Canelo and how close it was. If you think Mayweather dominated, then you'll be predisposed to believing that GGG beat him the first time, or the 2nd time, or that Cotto wasn't dominated by Canelo, really it was close but the judges just love Canelo, which is total nonsense.

The judges have been consistently scoring Canelo's matches accurately, it's just that fans have been spoon fed this nonsense starting with Mayweather Canelo being one-sided, and it's the basis of all the other judging skeptics as it relates to Canelo. When we hear people saying Saunders has no chance to win on the cards, this belief is due to Mayweather Canelo being argued 11 to 1 instead of how the judges had it. The official judges are not swayed by the press, or by the fans, and that's why they on average produce more accurate cards than the press or fans. Fans love to moan about every decision these days, not just involving Canelo but anytime there's a close decision you always hear cries of robbery. It's become totally insane. It's one thing to disagree with a judge or a result, but it's been taken far too deep into the conspiracy realm.

 

I'm not arguing it was a draw, I'm arguing that it was a close win for Mayweather. 7-5, 8-4, maybe 9-3. That's a big difference between 11-1 or even 10-2. Believing that match was a blowout is mad. The first 6 rounds were razor tight. Mayweather was taken to the absolute limit. He pulled away starting in round 7 and but it remained back and forth to the end.

 

It's a constant theme of me by and large accepting the judges interpretations of these matches. And everyone else saying the judges had it so wrong and believing every Canelo match involves some massive judging conspiracy. Which is more delusional - accepting the judges scoring as reasonable or claiming there's a massive conspiracy every time Canelo fights and that it's impossible to win a decision against him? It's hard to win a decision against him because he's that damn good, plain and simple. There's no agendas, it's that no one on the night has been better than Canelo since he fought Mayweather.

 

Naive to think there is no agenda when so much money is involved

 

I disagree!

 

The agenda isn't to rig a boxing match so the $$ fighter wins. The agenda is to promote an event and hope for a good fight so the fans don't go home disappointed. People claim that the NFL is rigged, that the Super Bowl is rigged for Tom Brady to win again. What about college football - pretty much the same 3 or 4 teams makes the playoff every year. Is college football rigged for Alabama to win the National Title every year? I find that sports these days are horribly mismanaged, the one exception being boxing who doesn't have the kind of agendas that other sports have to make sweeping rule changes year after year for player safety or to "select" teams to compete for championships in the case of college football where $$ is clearly a driving factor in the big decisions. In boxing, titles are defended on a 'choice' basis, who the Champion chooses to fight, and two teams of each fighter coming together to decide to fight and agreeing on the rules themselves.

 

@Likethembigroundchunky I see tons of corruption in other sports like the NFL, American College football, FIFA, etc. So for me, boxing is a way to get away from other sports who have fell victim to over-manipulation of the product, rule changes or systems like instant replay that make watching a game arduous. Boxing is like an escape from other sports and politics where there is so much corruption and problems. Boxing still manages to stay true to itself for the most part. Networks and TV personalities do have agendas, but it's usually organic and not as in your face as other sports. When it comes to other sports like the NFL, the corruption is beyond just rigging a sport so that a team wins. It's turning sports into a circus with how sports are covered and presented. There's some of that in boxing but in boxing it's less contrived and more organic than in other sports.

Boxing is sports in it's purest form, I say that especially after seeing what has happened to some of my other favorite sports like American football, soccer, basketball etc. Boxing has not become as unwatchable as these other sports have become. Boxing is not "run" the same as these other sports so widespread corruption is harder to pull off. The secrecy behind the commisions and judges is often misinterpreted to be suspicious when it is not. And I find other things that are suspicious many people are fooled by into thinking are legit. And it's annoying as I see people misinterpreting things and claiming corruption where it isn't not wile ignoring blatant corruption in other sports or other aspects of life where it actually is. I'm not naive to think that corruption can't happen, especially in boxing as historically there was reason to believe that there was a lot of corruption, but I tend to think that in this modern era, it's harder to engage in corruption like paying off judges than it was in the old days. I believe that we've become so super paranoid about corruption in boxing, that it makes those in power less likely to engage in it. With social media, rumors fly around constantly, in the old days stuff wouldn't get out so it was easier to pay off a judge. Now everything's too transprent for that to be the case in boxing.

And the corruption in other sports like the NFL or college football or FIFA soccer or politics, most of the corruption is blatant corruption. It's not a secret behind the scenes conspiracy, it's in your face. It's corrupt to the core but it's not a secret, it's right there in front of you. There might be secret behind the scenes stuff going on, but the standard needs to be how believable is the sporting event that you are watching as you watching it. Does it feel right to you. But when you go into a match with a certain belief, expectation, that clouds your judgement and makes you super-reactive to any noise of outrage or corruption claims, and if not for any reason other than wanting to be popular or agreeing with the mob, you'll get pulled into that.

 

Believing that match was a blowout is no more mad than the 6-6 card which was an absolute joke. That card was a total farce. There is no way any sane unbiased Boxing scribe or fan could score that fight 6-6. Canelo landed not a single punch of consequence in the whole fight. He was feinting and punching air or elbows the whole night. 10-2 Mayweather is a more reasonable scorecard than 6-6.