Canelo on Critics Calling For Fights at 175: They Want To See Me Lose

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  1. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I'm sure Canelo will eventually go back up to the 175lb division later in his career. When Thomas Hearns went up to 175lbs for the first time he went against Dennis Andries who was clearly the worst champ at the time. I was a huge Hearns fan and had no problem with it. It was amazing that Hearns won a title in his 5th weight division. It was called Hearns big light heavyweight experiment. He defended his 154lb world title vs Mark Medal then jumped all the way to 175lbs. He almost emediatly left the 175lb division until later in his career.He could have fought Prince Charles Williams, Virgil Hill, or Michael Moorer for a title. Later on in his career he fought and defeated two time light heavyweight champ Virgil Hill, who had 20 title defenses over two reigns.You could say Hearns cherry picked as well because Charles Williams or Moorer would have been more risky style wise. That being said, i think Benevedis would be Canelo's toughest fight at 168lbs and Bivel and Beterbiev toughest at 175lbs. At 168lbs Hearns 4th division he fought 1 superfight vs Leonard, and two other fights, one vs Kinchen for the vacant newly created WBO title and one vs former middleweight contender Michael Olajide jr. My point is weight division jumpers have been cherry picking for along time. Its one of the benefits, at the same time they get massive kudo's for jumping division's which this generation seems to just expect regardless of the quality.
     
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  2. kirk

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    Why not?

    He fought for the belt. He won it. He then gave it up.

    I would absolutely see your point if you said you dont hold the belt hostage at a weight you dont plan on staying at, and if he was holding a belt hostage while ignoring the divisions best fighters, but hes not.

    He went to the division for a specific fight, he won it, he knows its not his division, so he moved back down.

    Hes not holding the belt hostage. Hes not saying he can beat Artur but is choosing not to. Hes not milking the division.

    Whats the problem?

    Fighters cant take singular fights in divisions they dont belong in and dont plan on staying at if its against one of those divisions champions? Fighters shouldnt make a fight against a champion unless they absolutely plan on defending that title or staying at the weight?

    I guess I dont see the validity in that line of reasoning.
     
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  3. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    I’ve already seen Canelo lose and lose badly he was completely outboxed and outclassed by Mayweather.
     
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  4. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Serious? If he can win a belt in a division, he's not too small. You going to justify a title grab against a shot fighter now? Title grabs with weight jumping is a part of the problem with boxing. It promotes false accomplishments. It's no better than Pac's 154 fight w/ Margarito.
     
  5. kirk

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    You know this isnt true though, right Lance? There are numerous contexts, variables, and events, that make what you said flat out wrong. In fact, you allude to one (of the many) of them later on in your own post.

    How does this have anything to do with justifying a title grab? Me saying fighters aren't beholden to stay at a division just because they pick to fight there in specific matchups or cherry picks, is justifying the fight? I have to say that again, I'm not seeing the logic of where you're coming from.

    So explain it to me?

    How is me saying a fighter isn't beholden to a division just because he cherry picks a title there, justifying the cherry pick?


    I agree to a certain extent, though I do think the problem is being exaggerated. But lets say I agree for the most part, Im not really sure what that has to do with my post, or point. I think you're trying to counter issues and points that have little or nothing to do with what Im actually saying.

    I might have failed to illustrate my point as clearly as I should have. The totality of my point is that just because a fighter cherry picks a title at a higher weight, and drops it right after to move back down, doesnt beholden him to that division, doesnt beholden him to fighting that divisions best fighters, and doesnt mean he should be competing at that weightclass.

    Has nothing to do with justifying the match, or not seeing that its not always good for the sport that they do that.
     
  6. BoxMan10

    BoxMan10 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    yea fans want to see you lose... you went up to 175 and fought the weakest 175 champion on a short camp that everyone new was shot but you pretending like it was the kovalev of pre ward fights..and you were a god for taking the fight.. Ps bivol outboxes him and beterbiev beheads him. so of course he gonna avoidthem
     
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  7. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Hey, Canelo moved up to 175 voluntarily. I don't think anyone had a gun to his head. He picked the weakest, most damaged fighter holding a LHW belt, beat him fair and square ( after only 4 weeks form a very difficult fight AND Kovalev admitted it was just a payday) and called is part of his "legacy" then immediately dropped back to 168, forgoing any challenges at that weight. If he wants to have a legacy, and enriching that legacy with belts at multiple weights, then it's not out of line for boxing fans to demand he fight the best at thise weights or stop pretending those belts mean anything.

    At 168, if he fights Saunders then Plant and defeats them both then that's a fair shout for a legacy.
    But stop all the weight class jumping unless you fight then genuine best at that weight.

    I have spoken.
     
  8. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    What's wrong with a five week camp?
     
  9. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    Nothing....unless you are 36yrs old, just had a brutal war with a much younger fighter, been brutally ko'd several times within the past couple years and you're an alcoholic.
     
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  10. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The red headed shemale has no shame
     
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  11. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Oh ffs

    The notion that some of you whiny lil bitches consider yourselves true boxing fans is laughable.
     
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  12. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Are you calling Canelo and Oscar idiots? Lol
     
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  13. ashishwarrior

    ashishwarrior I'm vital ! Full Member

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    he did
     
  14. BCS8

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    And then get held to weight clauses by Clenelo
     
  15. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    I wasn't going to remind him of that little factoid, but yeah....."drain your opponent " is a mantra of the Canelo camp.
     
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