Canelo popped for Clenbuterol

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Is Canelo Alvarez deliberately cheating?

  1. Canelos a clean fighter

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  2. Clenelo is juicing

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  3. Who gives a flying ****??

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  1. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It’s not pathetic cause one has the advantage of having used PEDs in his system regardless of how they got there and the other has had to adhere to the rules.
    Can’t see it coming to that but he’d be well within his rights to have the fight at a later date to negate Canelos PEDs and any benefits gained even after leaving the body.
    You’re hypocrisy knows no bounds as Golovkin has just said himself he’s very disappointed with all this.
    I’m quite sure Wilder could of fought Povetkin and had the chance to so don’t make it like his hands were tied,again you’re just trying to make things fit your own narrative
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So you're of the belief that fighters can easily manipulate VADA and continue taking banned substances during fight week? The testing is random is it not? The way it works is that the fighters don't know when the VADA official will show up so they have no way to know how long they have to take a PED. That's how it works.

    Did you know that :

    An official familiar with Alvarez's testing history said the former two-division world champion has been tested 59 total times by the U.S. Anti-Doping Agency in previous fights, with four tests being "in competition," on fight week, and more than 20 tests requiring a blood draw.

    What are the chances of a fighter testing clean 59 times in a row while finding ways to still use PEDs during that time within random testing intervals? Are you just a huge cynic in general or just as it relates to boxing? I just can't see how you can confidently assume that he had to be on something last September while being enrolled in VADA testing for as long as he has.

    Then again, you believe that G won the first fight easily and seeing it a draw let alone having Canelo winning is crazy to you. I mean, with that mindset it's no wonder you think that depsite VADA testing Canelo had to be on something.

    Surely you can see how incredibly biased what you're saying is sounding.:lol:

    Not that there's anything wrong with that but I'm trying to keep it real and have an unbiased dialog.
     
  3. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    As good as drug testing is Shadow it’s been said from known cheats that to get caught one has to be pretty dumb,if Armstrong could test clean whilst being subjected to daily tests on tour then it stands to reason other sports should be even easier.
    I don’t think anyone is immune from VADA but really if they truly wanted to catch all the cheats out there then they could go to far greater lengths and could even demand hair follicle tests but truth is if they did that there would be no sport left would there?

    If it was meat it was incredibley dumb if it was Canelo it’s cause he mistakenly got his cycle mixed up,either way it’s not good is it?
     
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  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    So what you're saying is that you're more of an expert on PEDs and clenbuterol than the VADA lab director? Can I see your credentials please?
     
  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    It might be a better idea to focus on fight preparation and figuring out how to actually beat Canelo in the ring. If he spends all his time giving interviews and talking about clenbuterol he won't be focusing on fight perparation enough and it could hurt his chances at emerging victorious in May. It's gonna be hard enough for him to beat Canelo as is, the last thing you want is a clenbuterol-distracted Golovkin, giving too many interviews when he should be training 24/7 for the fight of his life.
     
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  6. ElCyclon

    ElCyclon Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Or it could simply mean he was clean.
     
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  7. drenlou

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    Stop following me around *****.
     
  8. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But yet there are so-called experts out there saying that trace amounts clenbuterol do not enhance the performance of a fighter, and certainly not 2-3 months before a fight. I mean, look, I'm as disappointed in all this as you are or as Golovkin is for having to answer questions about this and all that. In all sincerity I'm trying to be as real as I can with you, not trying to be hypocritical or making anything fit a narrative. I think there are two sides to every story and as a fan I just want to find out what happened. Say what you want about me, but one thing you can't deny is that I have not jumped to conclusions on any of this stuff. I am very clearly taking a wait and see approach, I don't think it's right to crucify Canelo until we find out how it happened. That's all and you should be able to accept that.
     
  9. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    But no, he's sure Canelo had to be dirty last Sept even with all that VADA testing. :nut:
     
  10. JohnnyDrama99

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    Maybe not the week of....cycling off of PEDs can sometimes take weeks to clear the system, but there are methods used to mask what an athlete might be taking for an edge.

    Tests are random but that doesn’t mean the tests are 100% effective as proof with many athletes who were caught for the “1st time” or caught multiple times. It’s niave to believe just because a boxer undergoes VADA or USADA testing that everyone of them are clean. Like I said before....those who are hell bent to dope and gain an edge will find ways to beat the system....but sometimes they make a mistake like Floyd, Canelo, Morales, Browne and Vargas.

    Blood testing is the least effective way to catch someone doping. It’s just an added measure to act as a deterrent. There hasn’t been one boxer and a very small percentage of athletes who have been busted due to random blood tests. It’s really ineffective and inefficient...almost antiquated.

    I’m a realist....Some fighters and athletes will go their entire careers doping and never get caught. Lance Armstrong was never caught with dirty **** or failed a drug test and he literally pass more than a thousand random screenings.

    I’m not biased at all. I’m being fair and level with my position. When you come up dirty, you are automatically labeled a cheat and every other fight is under a cloud of suspicion....As big as a Star Alvarez is, he’s no different than the others who have been popped for doping. Which is unfortunate, because he’s a very good boxer and probably could have been competitive without the use of PEDs.

    I didn’t say Canelo was completely dominated or schooled by GGG...I just said he clearly lost in a fight where he made it competitive while not particularly close with the strategy he opted to go with. I actually enjoy watching Alvarez more than GGG...not that I’m a bigger fan especially after getting caught doping...but if I had to chose between watching Canelo or GGG 8 times out of 10 I’m watching Alvarez depending on the opponent.

    You are a massive Canelo fanboy which is no secret so I understand how this whole clenbuterol scandal puts you on automatic def con 5 defensive mode. But unfortunately it’s not something you can make disappear. This will always be tied to Alvarez even when he’s retired
     
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  11. JohnnyDrama99

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    That too....But Lance Armstrong never tested dirty; but we all know he wasn’t clean....even before his admission of guilt.
     
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  12. chitownfightfan

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    Half his landed power shots, ya know, the EFFECTIVE AGGRESSION v Lara were low.
    Ref does a quick pause just to gesture to pick em up and the judges can't pretend to think they were power shots.
    Vs GGG, a video posted here I think caught 12 low and 8 more lower than the ref instructed, but higher up on the belt soas not to cause the cramping.

    Just saying.

    And his behind the back slap while he was trying to break GGGs neck in the clinch may well have been instigated, or out of aggravation.

    But he's only clean when he's in full control of the fight.
     
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  13. lobk

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    To comment on one failed test being consistent to tainted meat while saying a further investigation is needed because the first test was so high was unprofessional of him. He has no proof so yes I have as much credit as a guy who pulled **** out of his ass.
     
  14. SnatchBox

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    If you purchase a Canelo-GGG-Beefy at your local Taco Bell you will receive five dollars off Canelo-GGG II PPV. (ODLH Voice)
     
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