Canelo popped for Clenbuterol

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Is Canelo Alvarez deliberately cheating?

  1. Canelos a clean fighter

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  2. Clenelo is juicing

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  3. Who gives a flying ****??

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  1. _Frankly

    _Frankly Bivolian! banned Full Member

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    No
     
  2. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    I'd imagine Canelo would be eating the freshest meat possible from his local area, which would lower the time that the meat would be left out for.
     
  3. Stefz

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    Then canelo shouldn't be eating red meat coming from a country with a known history of tainted meat coming up to a fight ? Should he ?
    Is it ok for him and his team to be that stupid ?
    "Ignorance" isn't a defence.
     
  4. Stefz

    Stefz Member Full Member

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    If he has the option to eat what he chooses, why would he eat meat which could be tainted ?
    The amount of clen is still very high.
     
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  5. FastSmith7

    FastSmith7 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    RIP Canelo, if he comes in trading with GGG we better prepare a nice cosy coffin for Clenelo
     
  6. thesmokingm

    thesmokingm Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    They're still trying to figure out how to not ban Clenelo. Give it some more time.
     
  7. Pimp C

    Pimp C Too Much Motion Full Member

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    Canelo did the same with ggg to.
     
  8. minemax

    minemax Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I haven't heard anything.
     
  9. BigBone

    BigBone Boxing Addict Full Member

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    This all sounds dandy, but are you aware that you, as an athlete are solely responsible to abide by the rules? So sorry, that's no excuse ESPECIALLY that it's a known fact therefore it's Team Canelo's responsibility to make sure he eats clean food, even if it means they import it, with the dozens of millions of dollars in their pockets doesn't sound that much of a fuss.

    Nope. He got caught using clenbuterol like many athletes do, and he's pulling the Mexican bad food excuse like many athletes do. They get booted nonetheless. Cheaters be cheaters, man up and take the rap.
     
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  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Here's a more recent article I found from WADA regarding the clenbuterol issue :

    https://www.wada-ama.org/en/media/news/2017-04/wada-statement-on-ard-documentary

    I'll go ahead and highlight some of the content in this article.

    It has been scientifically established that an athlete can test positive for clenbuterol at low levels following ingestion of contaminated meat.

    This part is particularly important as it relates to Canelo :

    This unsatisfactory situation related to meat contamination with clenbuterol has been widely acknowledged by the anti-doping community. Effectively, when the circumstances of a positive case indicate that the athlete has been in one of the identified countries where clenbuterol meat contamination is significant, the anti-doping community views it as unreasonable to put the burden of proof on the athlete, i.e. to prove that the meat, which he or she had consumed, was contaminated; in particular, eight years after the fact. However, before a case is closed on the basis of low clenbuterol levels consistent with contamination, WADA recommends investigating such things as meat intake and whether there was exposure to a geographical area where contaminated meat is known to be prevalent.

    We keep hearing about strict liability and how the burden of proof is on Canelo to prove that the meat was contaminated !

    But yet this statement from WADA last year completely contradicts that!

    It's right there in writing that it's UNREASONABLE to PUT THE BURDEN OF PROOF ON THE ATHLETE in Clenbuterol case!

    OK Brainiacs! ? GOT THAT? I don't want to hear how the burden of proof is on Canelo to prove he ate contaminated meat. As of last year, it's in writing that WADA recognizes that if you live in one of the "identified countries where clenbuterol meat contamination is significant" the burden of proof is NOT on the athlete who tests positive.

    Finally :

    Ultimately, reason must prevail when the circumstances of a positive case indicate that the athlete has been in one of the identified countries where clenbuterol meat contamination is significant.

    Lets allow reason to PREVAIL like WADA says and NOT Irrational emotional biased outbursts towards Canelo!
     
  11. IKSAB

    IKSAB Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    If Canelo has fixed his stamina issues he should win pretty clearly this time, although the outcome will obviously be tainted.

    For the 30 seconds of each round where Canelo wasn't gassed or laying on the ropes, he was outboxing GGG and controlling the action.
     
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  12. lewis gassed

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    They will ban Canelo retroactively from last September until this May and say he's clean and served his ban!
     
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  13. shadow111

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    Are you aware that WADA states that in clenbutrol cases "the anti-doping community views it as unreasonable to put the burden of proof on the athlete, i.e. to prove that the meat, which he or she had consumed, was contaminated;"

    So what you are saying is contradictory to what WADA is saying. That they view it as unreasonable to put the responsibility on the athlete or his team to 'make sure he eats clean food'.

    You're saying the burden of proof is on Canelo. WADA says it's unreasonable to put the burden of proof on the athlete in cases of clenbuterol where clenbuterol meat contamination is significant. PERIOD !
     
  14. BigBone

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    Note "cases based on low Clenuterol levels consistent with contamination" By all publicly posted figures, Canelo's levels were ESPECIALLY HIGH, so your rule does not apply. It's 10 and 20 TIMES higher than some athletes that were banned.
     
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  15. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    The lab director stated that his test results were of "trace amounts" and were consistent with meat contamination. And it's not my rule brainiac, this is from WADA directly from last year!
     
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