Canelo popped for Clenbuterol

Didn’t say water is wet. I said it is as wrong as saying temporary suspended

 

This,

Water cant be wet, as it is by default a liquid. But water can WET other materials, which makes sense. Water has to affect other materials for you to call it wetting.

 

I’m not really sure why you quoted my post? I pretty much agree with everything you’ve said. I’d be very surprised if the fight is cancelled, and even if it is I’m cynical enough to suspect a stall tactic on the Golden Tranny’s part ie it gets postponed just long enough to throw GGG off his rythym, get 6 months older and go thru another training camp.
I’m not sure what to make of Gennady’s stance; is it purely a matter of principle and he doesn’t care if he loses $15 million because he’s content with being rich enough and he wants Clenelo suspended? In expressing his true feelings was he hoping to stoke the flames to generate more interest in the fight but maybe he’s now inadvertently forcing the NSAC’s hand and will lose out?
And the last scenario which seems most unlikely is that maybe, just maybe the NSAC is going to do the right thing?

 

Just cancel the damn fight and schedule a new opponent for GGG.
Canelo can go back to Mexico and eat more cow balls buffet

 

For reference, here's an article I found from 2016 regarding Vargas and his positive test prior to his bout with Salido. (I know the bout occurred in California, however the comparisons are relevant)

https://sports.yahoo.com/news/franc...ery-ped-slope-in-boxing-211738443-boxing.html

Vargas, concerned that Salido had failed a drug test in 2006, requested that both fighters be tested randomly by the Voluntary Anti-Doping Association.

On April 21, shortly after eating a meal at his mother’s home in Mexico City, Vargas tested positive for the banned substance Clenbuterol. The concentration of it in his system was 1.3 ng/ml.

(that's about twice the level of Canelo's level of 0.6-0.8 ng/ml and even higher than WADA's limit of what they consider in range of possible meat contamination 1.0 ng/ml)

Vargas, though, is still on track to fight. His manager, Ralph Heredia, made a passionate defense of him on a media conference call earlier this month, and pointed out that in subsequent tests Vargas was given, no Clenbuterol or any other banned substances were found.

According to Heredia, a meal of carne asada with bone cooked in broth was to blame, and the concentration of the Clenbuterol in his system was so low as to be almost indistinguishable. Heredia pointed out that Vargas passed tests on April 15 and 16, before failing on April 21. He then has passed numerous tests since that point.

So, anotherwords, a situation similar to Canelo's was used as an argument that resulted in Vargas being cleared. Not only that, but Heredia claimed that 1.3 ng/ml (an amount twice that of Canelo's highest test) "was so low as to be almost indistinguishable".

Finally, and in the minds of those who think Canelo should be suspended, surely this statement must be astonishing . . .

Andy Foster, the executive officer of the California State Athletic Commission, is one of the leaders in the combat sports world against PED usage. Surprisingly, perhaps, to some, Foster agrees with Heredia that Vargas should not be pulled from the fight.

“You have to look at intent, I believe,” Foster told Yahoo Sports. “There is a very good argument one can make that this man didn’t intend to cheat. … The quantitative value is relatively low.”

And given that Vargas passed tests both before and after eating his mother’s cooking, the likelihood that Vargas intentionally cheated is low.

Thus, it seems fair to allow him to compete.

So Kevin Iole thought "it seems fair to allow him to compete". Andy Foster doesn't believe he intended to cheat. The CSAC didn't think 1.3 ng/ml (about twice the amount of what Canelo tested positive for) should have caused the bout to be cancelled. And the fight went ahead. And not only that, but this article seems to indicate that Vargas or his team did not have to prove meat contamination. From the sounds of it, like the Nery situation with the WBC, Foster simply believed Vargas about the story about eating carne asada cooked in broth and allowed the fight to continue without needing proof of meat contamination. It doesn't sound like the CSAC asked his mother for her broth recipe to test how much clenbuterol was in it ! (if they did, then please bring this to our attention ! )

So this is situation would indicate that a high level positive test of clenbuterol (much higher than Canelo's) didn't stop a bout from going forward and this article suggests that no proof of the meat contamination was needed. As Foster states "You have to look at intent, I believe".

So this article gives us another example that is contrary to the thesmokingm's argument that "the doper always has to prove contaminated meat". Not according to Andy Foster and the CSAC. (in this case it wasn't even from contaminated meat but contaminated broth ! from a fighter's own mother no less lmao )

So as you can see, the Vargas situation and the Nery situation destroy most of the arguments that have been given as to why Canelo should be suspended. If it's based on past cases, how do you come to that conclusion based on what happened with Nery and especially with Vargas given the high level ? Vargas Salido went forward with a level of about twice that of Canelo's. And postive test of Vargas was much closer to the fight than Canelo's.

Now of course that was California, this is Nevada. So we don't know how NSAC will handle the situation, but lets not act like past cases support the arugment that Canelo shoudl be suspended or the fight be cancelled. Quite to the contrary, Vargas was allowed to fight after a clenbuterol level twice that of Canelo. If he was allowed to fight, then Canelo should be allowed to fight if we're being consistent. Was there even a hearing with Vargas?

 

Let's assume the position that Canelo receives a 6 month suspension. Obviously he's out for the May fight.

Now assuming this suspension, it asked the following questions:

Does it question his other wins? It at least cast a shadow on his career.

Will the true boxing fans who are Canelo fans no longer defend him? Granted, the pure fanboys will continue to defend him no matter what, but can real boxing fans defend him?

Canelo will have failed 2 consecutive test AND have a 6 month suspension. Has he burned his HOF chances.

He will still sell alot of PPVs, but will someone step up to fill the void as there is no way a drug cheat can continue to be the face of boxing.

 

Homecoming fight in Ireland vs O'Sullivan

 

So now all of a sudden the NSAC is the model commission? After Golovkin fans for months argued that they wanted the rematch to be somewhere other than Vegas is that right?

Less than 2 years ago, the State that Golovkin fights out of (California) allowed Vargas to fight Salido with twice the level of Clenbuterol as Canelo without (apparently) having to prove where the contaminated meat came from. (just saying it was from his mom's broth was enough apparently for the CSAC lol) Just a few months back, the WBC allowed Luis Nery to keep his title after testing positive for high amount of a substance similar to clenbuterol also known to be in contaminated meat in Mexico. Again without requiring Nery to have to prove he ingested contaminated meat.

So my question to you is why should these fighters be allowed to compete / keep their titles after testing positive for levels higher than Canelo did, without proving meat contamination and closer to the fight? If these fighters were able to fight, if those results were upheld, then why should Canelo be suspended further or have his fight with Triple G cancelled?

We keep hearing comments like the fight won't be cancelled becaue "there's too much money involved" or "Canelo gets preferential treatment" but everything we've seen thus far suggests that isn't the case at all. Within the last 2 years we've had fighters test positive and be allowed to fight for a similar circumstance. So if the fight doesn't get cancelled, if Canelo is cleared, I don't want to hear fans start complaining like Canelo is getting off when he should be suspended. Nery or Vargas didn't get suspended, so why should Canelo? It's most likely meat contamination, it's a well known problem in Mexico. Fighters should be treated the same in situations like this.

 

I can see McAlvarez and McFrampton headlining a card in Belfast.

 

Given what we've seen with Nery and Vargas, how they were allowed to fight after testing positive in a similar / arguably worse situation (higher levels, closer to the fight, no proof, etc), if Canelo were suspended further and the fight cancelled, I believe it would plague boxing tremendously. It would be hugely disappointing for the fight we've waited 8 months for to be called off due to some political shenanigans. To not get a decisive conclusion to the rivalry would negatively impact the sport. Many have argued that the fight needs to happen now because if it happens next year G will be too old, and if Canelo is suspended he may lose valuable time in his career, and his career could be viewed similar to Ali when Ali was banned for boxing for 3 years during his prime.

If Canelo were suspended and the fight cancelled, a portion of Canelo's Prime may be lost like Ali's was. If the NSAC cancels the fight, boxing will suffer and we will need to closely examine their reasoning, because after seeing what happened with Nery and Vargas, there is really no precedent to cancel a fight for possible meat contamination let along a fight of this magnitude.

 

Because a multi millionaire really eats over the counter meat that could possibly be contaminated when it has supposedly happened before. Omaha steaks my friend!

 

Bud, are you and IsaL on the same meds...or lack thereof? Nobody that I’m aware of is stating, or even implying, that the NSAC is a model commission. I think most of us have been taken back a bit with the Great Cornholio being suspended and we’re not quite sure what to make of it.
As to why other fighters were allowed to keep their titles and fight, I have no idea. Why single me out to answer that question? All state commissions are corrupt bureaucracies to varying degrees.

 

This post explores the "what ifs" and obvious questions IF he is suspended, not if he should be.

I think it's 50/50 now.

 

The truth of the matter is that most people who are fanatically pro-any boxer don't really care about PEDs when it comes to their own guy. He'll lose respect with those of us who just watch his fights as lovers of boxing, but I'd imagine that won't put a dent in his PPV numbers.

 

If the Great Hornolio suddenly joins the Nation of Islam, changes his name to Muhammad Ali, refuses induction into the military and instead does 3 years in prison for refusing to go and kill “slopes”, gets out of prison and and ultimately wins the heavyweight championship of the world he will still never be compared to Ali! Where in the hell did you come up with that?