Canelo popped for Clenbuterol

How do you explain.

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Yes they didn't have to they just quoted vada who were playing defense for them already and their ginger science experiment

It came up in court that vada went out of there way to make an issue regarding the povetkin test even though he was under the limit and it went against scientific evidence that the director of vada was aware of to flag up the problem with his tests.

It isn't relevant you idiot the people investigating you shouldn't be giving you an out or playing defense for you . vara should just have said clenelo failed a drug test. clenbutarol is illegal ,explain yourself
Its like a police report catching someone with a ton of undocumented cash and then at the end saying ' this is the typical amount of money a person would keep in personal saviga in their home'

If no agenda against clenelo .
Michael O'Reilly Irish boxer got caught taken a substance before the last Olympics and got a 4 year ban, effectively barring him from 2 Olympics. He said it was by accident like clenelo. i beleive he should have got a ban but making him miss two olympics is excessive.

You on the other hand don't want to see a doper punished at all?
What kind of boxing fan are you

 

I'm not too familiar with the Povetkin situation but I'm reading he tested positive for ostarine and also meldonium. I am reading that Povetkin's promoter stated that Povetkin stopped taking meldonium when it was banned, and that only traces remained and he tested positive for it. So I see the argument that you are making, that Povetkin got screwed for taking substances before they were banned, then he stopped and tested positive for them after they had been banned.

But still I wouldn't expect the lab to comment on that in the way that you are expecting them to, like they did with having trace amounts of clenbuterol.

The biggest difference between Povetkin and Canelo is that with clenbuterol it's been established that it can be ingested simply by eating contaminated meat, through no fault of the fighter. So it would be far more relevant for the lab to comment on that to let the public know about that.

That's not to say that they weren't unfair to Povetkin by punishing him for taking something when it wasn't banned, I just don't think the two situations are all that similar to where you'd expect them to comment on the results of Povetkin's sample.

Perhaps they should have said something though about how the drug that Povetkin tested positive was recently banned, and that it's possible that he stopped after it was banned and that's what resulted in the positive test.

Could it be that they learned from the Povetkin situation and that court case, and as a result of that court case, as a result they now make more of an effort to release any relevant information along with the test results so the public has more information?

 

This Dontae subscribing racist blizzy is such a hypocrite.

Their hate for white EE's is far stronger than their hate for white North Americans like Canelo it seems!

 

People are way too harsh on Povetkin. It was TRACES of a recently legal drug. And he was cleared afterwards.

Those big bad Ruskies got you shook lol.

It was fine for Wilder to give Ortiz a 2nd opportunity.. but not Povetkin.

Wilder knew 100% he was gonna lose to Povetkin. He probably had a big private party after what happened.. bet he couldn't believe his luck

 

it was recently legal only because it hadnt been researched.

So he was cheating all that time before.

I note hes dont nothing since coming back in the league of what he did before, nor has his sister Sharapova. They needed their drugs to get the level they were at.

You shouldnt want to condone cheating.

 

I think I understand the source of your distress now. You're upset at the double standards, how they treated Povetkin and how they appear to be catering to Canelo.

But I think in the process your anger over the Povetkin situation is causing you to jump to conclusions about Canelo, calling him a "ginger science experiment", that's a terrible thing to say. I mean, two wrongs don't make a right. Consider the possibility that Vada learned from the Povetkin situation and now is trying not to treat Canelo improperly the same way they treated Povetkin improperly. And here you are doing what you're so pissed at them for doing to Povetkin . . . assuming that Canelo is guilty an all that. So you're no better than Vada since you're acting like they did to Povetkin . . . to Canelo by not giving him the benefit of the doubt.

It seems to me that the issue with the Povetkin test is more that the drug he tested positive for was recently banned than it was that he was under the limit. If he took a drug that wasn't banned, then stopped when it got banned, then tested positive for it, then I can understand your outrage over them not understanding that it took a while to get out of his system after it was banned and he stopped. But that's still quite different to the Canelo situation, and again as a result of all that, it's quite possible that now they are treating fighters better after they learned from how wrong they were with how they handle Povetkin.

Calling me an idiot when I'm trying to genuinely understand your points makes it pretty hard to try to have a dialog with you lol. Your analogy of the undocumented cash doesn't seem to relate at all to what we're talking about.

A better example would be if you got pulled over by a cop, the cop finds weed, and you're about to get arrested but then you show the cop your medical weed card and he realizes your having weed isn't illegal and lets you go. That's a far better analogy than your cash example imho.

Wrong, what a ridiculous statement. Unlike you I'm not assuming he's a doper just because he tested positive for something that's commonly in contaminated meat from Mexico ! You're assuming he's a doper because you're a Golovkin fan or something. Of course I want to see someone who's a drug cheat punished, but I want to be sure somebody is a drug cheat before they are punished, just like how you wanted to be sure Povetkin was a drug cheat before he was punished !

 

ha ha ha ,whats this "A good day to bury bad news" c'mon ,stop trying to deflect lol

 

No ifs, no buts, no maybes. Golovkin shouldn't have a say in the matter. Money should not play a part. Prominence should not be involved. The integrity of the sport, of sport in general is at stake. The health of the opposing fighter is at stake. I think all guys are on PEDs but that can not be a mitigating factor.

Say Suttin'

 

I believe it would help if the trace amounts found in the other boxers was released. I put up the cyclist amount because it is the only one available to compare.

I have no agenda here. I am a fan of GGG. Also a fan of Canelo. Do I believe he is innocent? It is not for me to say. As I put in my post on the other thread where I listed the amounts found, I am on the fence.

The thing that worries me is the amount of people that are joyful that Canelo might not be clean. Like it or not at the moment he is one of the most popular, if not the most popular active boxer at the moment. If it is found he was ingesting an illegal substance then it would put another black mark on the sport we love. All of you who are relishing the fact that it might be true should be ashamed of yourselves, just as Canelo should be if he is found guilty after an investigation.

This type of behavior by so called "fans" of this great sport sickens me. We have our favorite boxers, we all have our opinions, but just being plain ugly to other people because they don't hold the same views as you is disrespectful and asinine. I'm not going to be a hypocrite, I know sometimes I close myself off to others opinions, but I am here to learn.

Only my honest opinion.

 

Golovkin vs Saunders at Wembley ! With Tyson Fury's comeback vs Shannon Briggs on the undercard.. lets go champ!

 

I reply with short to the point answer, you have to reply with walls of text doing mental gymnastics and taking things out of context.

Their is no point in us discussing this as we are too far apart. You believe clenelo did nothing wrong at all and shouldn't be punished, you believe vada haven't acted inappropriately at all. no matter what i say you will defend clenelo ,no matter how damning future evidence is you will defined clenelo

 

Be bolder!

 

a ban would not bev out of order, 1 year min, if beef is outruled

 

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