Canelo seems to have changed since fight with Bivol.

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  1. Grinder

    Grinder Dude, don't call me Dude Full Member

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    He's a red headed Mexican who gives teenage girls like @IsaL tingly feelings.
     
  2. Rico Spadafora

    Rico Spadafora Master of Chins Full Member

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    When is Canelo going to try to avenge his loss to Bivol?
     
  3. Eclipse

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    What was his last elite performance? Going the distance with an inactive 154 pounder?

    People love to forget that Bivol was a huge underdog vs Canelo. I have never heard of a huge underdog being a risky fight before, only in Canelo world lol.
     
  4. drenlou

    drenlou VIP Member

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    Stfu you alt. Kick rocks.
     
  5. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    No. Not harsh at all. You don't know the meaning of cherry picking is if you think Bivol was one. Simple as that. There's levels to everything. He may have calculated that Bivol was the least likely to knock the hell out of him, but by no means does that make it a more winnable fight and much less, a "cherry pick". Again, you have no clue what a cherry pick is. Kovalev was a cherry pick. A still possibly dangerous cherry pick though.
     
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  6. Jackstraw

    Jackstraw Mercy for me, justice for thee! Full Member

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    Well then, enlighten us on what a cherrypick is, please. Can you provide some examples and include the levels you mentioned?
     
  7. Eclipse

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    Bivol was a huge underdog in betting and in the boxing world, how does that not demonstrate it was a cherry pick. You think Benavidez would have ever been a 4-1 underdog vs Canelo?

    The fight had zero demand, Bivol was not a draw, so it was not a big ppv. He did have a belt but Canelo had already been champion in that division so doing it again really wouldn't have changed much.

    He was offered more money for Benavidez, there was more demand for Benavidez and it was a bigger ppv fight. Yet he chose Bivol. With all that in mind how was it not a cherry pick?

    You can't just keep saying 'but Bivol is better than Benavidez' when he was viewed as such a huge underdog. It makes no sense. NOW Bivol is viewed as better but not when Canelo chose him.
     
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  8. JMotrain

    JMotrain Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well stated, it was definitely a cherrypick gone wrong. Almost no one picked Bivol to win, they said he was just a basic fighter with a good 1-2. Well, we all learned there was much more to Bivol's game after a couple of rounds.

    To answer the OP, Canelo got bossed around the ring against Bivol. Of course he changed. Given he is the cash cow and a diva, he wasn't going to be put in that position again. It's why after lossing to Bivol, he fought a 40 year old Golovkin, a journeyman in Juan Ryder, and a blown up 154 pounder who came to survive in Charlo. We'll need to see how the rest of Canelo's career pans out, but I doubt he faces Bivol (again), Beterbiev, or Benavidez.
     
  9. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Because they are casuals and Canelo has a bigger name. They took the Kovalev fight as Canelo was ready for the Big Guns (Canelo was getting outboxed by used and abused Kovalev before the KO). Bivol was already fighting at the highest level
     
  10. Ricdog

    Ricdog Active Member Full Member

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    People who had Bivol as underdog are demented. Bivol had, and continues to be, one of the most consistently dominant champs in the sport. And he already had been for years. Joe Smith was the weakest link given he had been schooled already.

    Canelo’s only previous fight at 175lb was a late comeback KO against Kovalev. It was this fact that actually made Bivol the slight favorite if anything
     
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  11. Eclipse

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    Before fights Jeff Mayweather in the Floyd Mayweather gym does interviews in the gym with a bunch of fighters and trainers. All of them, 100% picked Canelo over Bivol and the running gag was continually mispronouncing his name because they barely knew who he was. I doubt that Gym is full of casuals. Bivol was viewed as a respectable champion but nothing more.

    You think Rings writers are also casuals? 20/20 picked Canelo.
     
  12. MarkusFlorez99

    MarkusFlorez99 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Canelo is a big name and they were probably still high off the Kovalev blunt Canelo rolled and the 168 campaign. Even so, you still have to wonder how they didn't see stylistically that Bivol was a nightmare. I knew the moment he dominated Pascal
     
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  13. steviebruno

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    No one is saying that Bivol is trash, but he was regarded as the clearly inferior champ at 175 in comparison to Beterbiev.

    Canelo handpicked him, expecting to win, and had already named his opponent for another cherrypick at cruiser.

    Why are we debating the obvious when Canelo made clear what his plans were?

    There's no need.
     
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  14. gollumsluvslave

    gollumsluvslave Boxing Addict Full Member

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    There was also the preception that Bivol was on the slide after a less thatn stellar 'cruise control' showing against Craig Richards after 14 months out. Add the the 'feather fist' narrative and the possibility that Bivol was soft to the body, it's fairly clear that Canelo and his team believed their own smoke up the ass that Canelo could just use his 'chop down the tree' style to dispatch Bivol - it had worked for him great up until that point.

    Whether it's a 'cherry pick' or a 'calculated belt grab' which is just semantics - Canelo againts Bivol was VERY similar IMO to Wilder going for Fury... highly calculated, but based on flawed reasoning that backfired massively.
     
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  15. lufcrazy

    lufcrazy requiescat in pace Full Member

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    Bivol is very far from a dominant champ.