Canelo since losing against Floyd

Lara did nothing the second half of that fight against canelo and I was pulling for Lara to win. He deserved to lose. Pbf basically shut out canelo only a fool or someone with an agenda like you would think canelo beat pbf or the fight was even close

 

A by and large fair look at Alvarez since Mayweather, but the problem is deeper than Rummy alludes to. I thought Larry Mosley was more competitive than the 9-1 scored against him. There is also the 10-2 card for the Trout bout and the 4-1 in the Khan fight. If Alvarez was another nationality, besides American that is, he would have more than a single loss. Look at Lara's career, a man roughly as talented.

 

He is not American, but he is supported by his buddies from Mexican cartels.
Just like it was done in the 50s during Italian mafia days.
Paying to watch Canelo fights is financing organized crime.

 

Some cyclists got 4 years suspension for a much smaller amount of clen and Canelo got a middleweight belt.

 

The first 6 rounds were very even and the last 3 rounds were close as well. The only portion of the match that could be construed as one sided were rounds 7 and 8, with an emphasis on round 7. The 7th round was all Mayweather. Round 8 Canelo started well in the first half of the round, the 2nd half of the 8th round was one-sided in favor of Floyd. Round 9 wasn't as one sided as the previous 2 rounds but Floyd I thought won it pretty clearly. Aside from those 3 rounds, the remainder of the match (first 6 rounds + last 3 rounds) were pretty even in my estimation. So while I disagree that Canelo did better in the 2nd half than he did in the 1st half of the match, we both agree that the match was definitely not one sided, and we can both agree that he did have success late in the match.

To your point about Canelo winning rounds down the stretch, he really stepped up in round 10 totally schooled Floyd on how to fight off the ropes and battered him with that 12 punch combo when Floyd went to the ropes, but Floyd returned the favor in the 11th which a great comeback round for Floyd which really sealed the win for him. The 12th is another round you could score for Canelo. We see what Rumsfeld did there all the time, showing hand-selected clips of Mayweather's best moments vs Canelo, in an effort to brainwash people into thinking these handful of clips were representative of the entire bout. It was Floyd's closest match in years, and while Canelo definitely lost, it was far from one-sided and anyone who says that is giving Mayweather far too much credit. And frankly as much respect as I have for Rumsfeld and his excellent boxing videos, he's completely off the mark here. And he was off the mark as well in his scoring of Canelo GGG 1 when if I recall he scored like 7 rounds in a row for GGG. That said, everyone is entitled to their opinion and I would welcome a friendly debate with Rumsfeld over the scoring of either match if he is interested in doing so.

We've seen baffling fan scoring of several of Canelo bouts, vs Mayweather, vs GGG 1, vs Lara, vs Trout. Maybe it's that Canelo's red hair and light skin causes people to get blurry vision or something, or maybe it's because he was associated with De La Hoya in the past. Whatever the reasons, many fans just do not seem to possess the ability to score Canelo matches fairly particularly matches which involved close rounds. I get that it's become a popular tact to argue that it was the Mayweather bout that made Canelo better, that he got schooled then learned from Mayweather then became better. It's mostly spin. Sure he got better and learned from Mayweather, but it was a natural progression. And his struggles vs Mayweather had a lot to do with the catchweight and the promotional disadvantage he was under when he fought Floyd.

There was a lot of Mayweather - De La Hoya drama going on behind the scenes and it had to affect Canelo as he was stuck in the middle of it. But he still performed admirably, clearly gave Floyd his toughest and closest fight in years, but Floyd was at his best that night he took advantage and did enough to get the win. But to say it was one-sided, please. You wanna see a one-sided Mayweather fight, see his performance vs Marquez, or the last 10 rounds vs Mosley, or way back vs Baldomir. Those were one-sided routs. Vs Canelo Mayweather was challenged more than he ever had been, mentally, physically. He rose to the occasion and got the job done, but it was very rough sledding for Mayweather. Biting on 20+ feints in the first 3 rounds alone are evidence of Floyd's struggles early on. And in round 4 Floyd fouling by cranking Canelo's neck in a headlock but then the judges only seeing the retailitory "low blow" / leg shot which was just Canelo's reaction to having his neck cranked. Canelo was super cautious early on leading to the chess match that it was, but Canelo put on a fantastic display of boxing in the 2nd half of the 4th round and after two more close rounds Floyd realized he needed to make adjustments which he did. Still a hugely entertaining match, it was so good and fun to watch I was hoping for a rematch, but Floyd wanted to part of it after being taken to the limit.

Politics and A-side Mayweather advantages played a role in the outcome, but if that was the only way for Canelo to get in the ring with Mayweather I'm still happy the fight happened. While people can spin it all they want, the footage doesn't lie and there were many great moments Canelo had on Mayweather which can be put into a highlight reel to show how close and competitive it was.

 

hey easy guy, we're americans too . not every italian boxer was mobbed up.

 

You are entitled to your opinion and I have respect for you as a boxing mind, but to say he basically shut out Canelo is inexplicable. I know you're a big Mayweather fan, but anyone can see how close it was round after round, especially when you compare it to many of Mayweather's previous bouts which were one-sided. All 3 judges had it close, there's simply no reasonable argument that it was anywhere near a shutout. Rounds 2,3,4 and round 6 Canelo did some excellent work. Round 10 was just a clinic by Canelo on how to fight off the ropes. How can you not see that? If you review the footage it's impossible to ignore that. No one lands a 12 punch combo on Mayweather like Canelo did. Floyd was hurt there and there are several interviews after the fight where Floyd is getting a massage and complaining about how tough of a fight that was and how sore he was.

Stop lying to yourself Pimp. Floyd won more rounds, but it was nowhere near a shutout. Canelo won about 3 or 4 rounds. And even in most of the rounds he lost, they were chess match rounds that Mayweather really was pushed to his limit. I agree with you about Lara, but you're exaggerating how dominate Mayweather was against Canelo. It was very close.

 

People make it sound like canelo caught a beat down, when it was a highly competitive chess match. Which is why it was such a clean fight, very little holding or fouling.

 

Spot on but don’t tell crack sniffer @IsaL

 

Pimp the Lara fight was close on my books 115/113 Big Red
The fight with Floyd I couldn’t give more than one round to Canelo

 

@Heavy_Hitter

And some boxers got no suspensions at all for testing positive for PEDs.

But don't let facts get in the way of your hatred.

 

It is common to disagree on the scoring of boxing matches. Everyone is entitled to their opinion but to support your cards you need to be able to explain how you arrived that that score.

 

Wow, enlightenment has arrived on the scene

 

Precisely, and furthermore, in order for your opinion to hold weight your scoring needs to be done using the 10 pt. must scoring system.

 

Well I think your Lara card is reasonable and I know it is hard to score against Mayweather as he's considered to be one of the best ever. There's a tendency to score close rounds to Mayweather since he's Mayweather, but true enlightenment is to see rounds for what they are.