Canelo the coward is BoxRec's #1 pound for pound

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  1. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    That's true, there are 716 fighters in Roman Gonzalez flyweight division whereas the average division population in the higher weight classes tends to be about 1200. A division like welterweight that has 2000 fighters will naturally have more depth and stand out stars. A guy who is good enough to be a contender in a top division might be good enough to be a champion in a much less competitive one. That would help explain why welterweight has a largish share of talent, except that Lightweight has 1915 fighters and nobody in the p4p top 20. Heavyweight has 3, Light Heavy has 2, but Cruiserweight which is almost as big as either has 0. So there has to be more going on than just the size of the talent pool.

    Sometimes a lower division will experience a golden age and fill up with talent disproportionate to it's numbers. Remember fifteen to ten years ago when we had Morales, Barrera, Pacquiao, and Marquez all at Bantamweight at the same time? Supposedly, that's what's been going on at Flyweight with Gonzalez, Estrada, and Viloria, but these boys just aren't getting any credit. Also, sometimes a divison cools down like heavyweight for roughly a decade prior to now. So sometimes smaller divisions are unusually hot and bigger divisions are unusually cold despite their numbers.

    It's not just about how big a division is that determines how many stars it contains. Besides, if we look at the boxrec list, the bottom nine divisions have 1 guy and the top 8 have 19. The lower weights are smaller, but shouldn't they have just say a quarter as many guys in the top 20 if we were being fair since roughly half of all boxers fight in those divisions?

    Does Deontay Wilder deserve to be ranked above Andre Ward, Takashi Uchiyama, Guillermo Rigondeaux, and Roman Gonzalez? Does Juan Francisco Estrada deserve to be listed outside the top 100? No way can a system that makes those kinds of errors be objective.
     
  2. Beatle

    Beatle Sheer Analysis Full Member

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    What a SНIT list that is.
     
  3. conraddobler

    conraddobler Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    It may well be flawed but it's objective, based on a formula that is posted and anyone can compute. Compare this to other ranking systems which are based on opinion. Both systems have flaws but only one is objective.
     
  4. eltirado

    eltirado Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Boxrec is based of poor Math, and the formula is designed to support their subjective ranking

    Ring magazine is owned by DLH, so an obvious conflict of interest makes it less credible. DLH should have bought it via a third party & trolled the world :think
     
  5. Blackclouds

    Blackclouds Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    About those lower than BW's. There's tons of fights every week going on in Asia, just not in America or the west.
     
  6. alspacka

    alspacka Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It's objective in that it sticks to a formula (to an extent), but the formation of the rules and the way they've decided to allocate ranking points or whatever in the first place is subjective, and evidently floored.

    You could invent a system in which heavyweights get 100 points for a W over a top 5 opponent, and a lightweight gets 1, and call it objective.
     
  7. IsaL

    IsaL VIP Member Full Member

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    Exactly, I don't even consider the WBC MW title a real title anymore.
     
  8. Mind Reader

    Mind Reader J-U-ICE Full Member

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    Excellent post pointing out the flaws in their system.:good
     
  9. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Why is Golovkin #4?, for beating overly matched tomato cans and impressing mental abominations like yourself?.