Canelo thought he won the fight

You also concluded that 10-2 GGG over Canelo in their first fight is a reasonable score, which seems to be a bit mental given that you've deemd a draw acceptabl as well. That's a wide range of possible scores there which you didn't see for 5 years, so we could have the same kind of problem here with you having this 11-1 Bivol, thinking Canelo lost a fight wide that was actually close. So this is nothing new when it comes to Canelo and scoring, but maybe you can avoid waiting 5 years to realize that this was much closer than you initially scored it like you did with Canelo GGG 1 when you finally went back and realized that a draw was actually an acceptable result. So I would challenge you to join me in taking a closer look at this fight to see how many rounds you gave to Bivol that could be scored to Canelo as you did with Canelo GGG 1.

The fact is that Canelo did in fact win the first 4 rounds on the judges cards and was ahead after winning the 9th round, at the very least this prompts a review of rounds 1-4 and round 9 to see how many of those rounds would be acceptable as Canelo rounds to you, and if there are any other close rounds besides those that could be argued to Canelo that were scored for Bivol. We seem to have the same problem of people who root against Canelo coincidentally scoring round after round against Canelo out of habit without paying much attention to what is actually happening with lopsided scores in Canelo fights becoming the norm and those people who scored it lopsided claiming that the judges who had it close must be corrupt without giving it a closer look. DAZN's commentatory outside of Mora was incredibly biased against Canelo, and that combined with the crazy punch stats paint a very different picture to what actually happened.

We can all agree that Bivol out performed Canelo and deserved to win this fight while understanding that we have a vast disparity as it pertains to the margin of victory. Now well respected member Rumsfeld had it 116-112 Bivol, which is only 1 round away from all 3 judges, so the difference between your crazy lopsided score and Rumsfeld's relativley close score needs to be evaluated to understand what is causing you to see so many rounds differently. The DAZN bias against Canelo was alarming and very noticeable during the telecast and Mannix's card had all kinds of problems with it. For example, he gave Bivol rounds 1 and 3 while giving Canelo round 2, while I thought Canelo won round 1 while watching it live but found 2 and 3 harder to score, while another poster on here claimed Bivol looked great in round 2 but that 1 and 3 were arguably for Canelo. So we have all kinds of inconsistencies on who won the early rounds and we have people claiming that Bivol won 11-1 or 12-0 or 10-2 when the early rounds were very tight and hard to score and many people are pretending that Bivol won all these rounds clearly and the the judges who gave them to Canelo must be corrupt. So we definitely need to take a closer look at the RBR scoring here and I hope you will join me in this endeavor.

 

Even the incredibly biased commentary had it 9-3 to Bivol, this fight wasn't close at all. You're just a deluded idiot.

 

It took you 5 years to agree that 8-4 was an acceptable score as well, we both learnt a lot in that thread.

As for this, there's no reason to re score it. It isn't controversial in terms of the result. Everyone who watched this fight saw a clear Bivol victory. Everyone.

The judges giving all 4 of the early rounds to Canelo doesn't bother me. Maybe they were close enough, who cares. I gave all 4 to Bivol, they gave all 4 to Canelo, you have said yourself in situations like this you split the scoring so you'd give 2 each meaning you have it 9-3 Bivol.

 

Delusional and entitled.

 

I had it 10 -2 Bivol. Beautiful

 

I made it very clear that I did not agree with you that 8-4 GGG was reasonable. I did not grant you that Round 11 was acceptable as a GGG round. He did land a couple good shots but it was a pretty clear Canelo round in my eyes. As I said, I would be more willing to accept you scoring that round for GGG if you didn't give GGG so many close rounds in a row particularly rounds 4-6 and round 3 which was arguably an even clearer round for Canelo but we've been through this before.

If you want to continue to lie and tell me what I think is reasonable that's your prerogative, but I will remind you that my stated range of reasonable scores is between 116-112 Canelo and 115-113 GGG. Hopefully this is the last time that I have to remind you of what I consider reasonable but somehow I expect you to keep trying to tell me what I believe whch is rather silly. It screams desperation on your part and insecurity on your part that you feel the need to tell me what I believe after I've already made my position about what I consider acceptable crystal clear several times.

If you say "who cares" then OK, then "who cares" if the judges scored those to Canelo, then it's not corrupt or unacceptable to score it that close. Why pretend like Bivol won it far wider than he actually won it. If Canelo won those rounds, or if each of those rounds are close enough to score to Canelo, then 115-113 is not corrupt or an unreasonable score. It's as simple as that.

 

Even in this post you accept round 11 can be scored for G. Hence the 116-112. A position you didn't hold until we revisited the fight on my thread. Not sure what I'd have to be insecure about, it's a subjective sport, you can score it however you want.

I don't care how the judges scored those, I never once called it corrupt or unacceptable. I'm not pretending anything, Bivol won a clear fight, that's a view shared by everyone who watched it. I just gave my scorecard.

 

OK so it could be scored 11-1 or 7-5, that's your stance, depending on how you interpret rounds 1-4. I mean that's better than "ahhhhh the judges were corrupt, Bivol won every round".

 

Why are you trying to force a debate where there isn't one?

For once, with a big fight everyone is in agreement.

Bivol won clearly.

 

I'm not forcing a debate at all. I'm saying I agreed with the judges scoring it 115-113, and no one should have a problem with that. But I'm being told that it wasn't that close, it was a schooling, Bivol dominated, etc.

Then I'm responding by saying OK if you think it was that wide, then do you wanna debate it or what. If not then no need to argue about it. Remember you're the guy who wanted to revisit the scoring in previous Canelo fights to find out what are reasonable scores. Now if you don't want to do that here, then OK but don't call me wrong for agreeing with the judges if you're not interested in supporting your much wider score.

 

Even 10-2 is generosity to Canelo.
The fight was 12-0 all over it, if you are scoring it fairly.

 

No.

Just no.

Pac lost 8-4, 9-3 at worst, and 7-5 at best.

Every round was reasonably close and Pac did not get beaten up.


Last night's affair could have been scored a shutout, and the best interpretation. would be 9-3.

Also, Canelo got beaten up badly and came close to being stopped in round 11.



Totally different margins of victory.

 

You didn't agree with the judges.

As for claims on dominating, the first 4 rounds not a lot happened. For the next 8 Canelo had one good round, Bivol had 7. It was a dominant victory. There's no argument for Canelo to have won. Like I said, every single person who watched the fight saw a clear Canelo victory.

Stop worrying about other people, it's a repeated pattern with you. Tagging me in conversations I'm not part of, have your own opinion.

 

The judges scored it fairly 115-113 Bivol, great scoring.

 

I didn't have any problem with the judges scores. Thought they did a great job. 115-113 Bivol. I only watched it once live, that was just my initial impression that they got it spot on. I'd have to go back and take a closer look to see if that was a perfect score or not. But on the surface, 115-113 Bivol seemed about right to me. Maybe 116-112 would be better, either or. But I'd personally see a crazy wide score like 11-1 quite Mad, but hey if that's how you saw it, to each his own.

Canelo had some moments in rounds 5-12 outside of round 9, so I wouldn't say Bivol dominated each of those rounds, but you can certainly argue he won those rounds. Some rounds were closer than others, would have to take a closer look. To just claim all of those were dominated by Bivol is not accurate from what I remember. Many of them were close for most of the round then Bivol landed a couple of clean shots towards the end and won those rounds that way.

I'm not worrying about anyone, just talking about the fight and giving my 2 cents.