Canelo v Crawford

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I'm not saying it won't be an excellent win. I just don't play this game where I pretend we're witnessing a battle between David vs Goliath when even now in terms of ring weight they're separated by 8-10lbs and it will be significantly less at 168 and the smaller fighter has a way longer reach than the bigger one

    Nor do I pretend like we haven't already known for a long time that Clenelo cannot deal with a certain style to save his life even against opponents where the size disparity between him and them is way more than it will be between him and Crawford. And that was against a prime Clenelo who actually was motivated to fight the best, not this mentally checked out ducker version.

    Clenelo came up from 147 himself and beating opponents who weigh 3-5lbs more than you or at most 8lbs who have a much shorter reach is not the same as fighting literal giants who hold huge or obscene physical advantages over you.

    Crawford weighed 0.4 ounces less for his 154 debut than career 160 pounder GGG's average fight night weight. He walks around at a still lean 180lbs

    He weighs the same as Billy Conn did against a 200lb Joe Louis for goodness sake. A 154 pounder Crawford :facepalm:
     
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  2. AdamT

    AdamT Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Agreed
    He has to be number 1 then, considering his age, lighter fighters age faster and due to being undefeated for 40 plus fights

    I don't think he can beat Canelo, but if he does? Then he's number 1 of the generation for me and certainly among the best in modern times
     
  3. BoxingisLife2k

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    Tim Bradley is Crawford's friend...

    Im not going to argue on the internet all the way up til the fight like a ******, ill quote you after the fight
     
  4. Serge

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    Yes he is but he also raises some very good points.

    A way smaller 158 bloated Khan was boxing a prime Clenelo's ears off for 5 rounds prior to his chin giving out on him. Sorry but what we likely be a 175lbs Crawford at 168 beating a 4'' shorter reach 3-5lb heavier past prime Clenelo is not near as impressive as actual leprechauns doing the same to a prime Clenelo.

    Whilst a great albeit very overrated fighter who would have a lot more losses than he does without his judges bailing him out, Clenelo certainly isn't a great or even an elite fighter against said certain style. He's like a fish out of water.

    We're dealing with clowns who crucify and hate fighters with a vengeance who are routinely giving away bare minimum what 154 version of Crawford would be against a 168 version of Clenelo and often a lot more and huge amounts of reach to boot and who praise the crap out of massive weight bullies for daring to fight opponents their own size and who worship proven PED cheats like gods for cheating to bridge the gap fighting at higher weights so what's good for the goose is good for the gander. I didn't make the rules I just took over the circus and make the clowns play by their own rules which they are loath to do.
     
  5. Serge

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    I know he's his friend. It doesn't make what he's saying wrong though. Much of it has been well known and proven for a long time
     
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  6. African Cobra

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    I don’t rule it out him potentially beating Canelo.
     
  7. African Cobra

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    What people walk around weight is irrelevant because we or should I say am not checking on that or monitoring it. What will be unprecedented is someone fighting at Lightweight moving up through the divisions winning and defending world titles and if he can do it against a Canelo who is a modern legend and THAT GUY current reigning undisputed Super Middleweight Champion of the world then we all must take off our hats to Bud. You are and I being British will have to tip our top hats to him. Fights for me come down to skills not size. Bud is now 37 years old so this fight has to be made now.
     
  8. African Cobra

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    I will never defend Canelo for the Clenbuterol fiasco though I do respect him as a fighter.
     
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  9. Kell Macabe

    Kell Macabe I don’t know s*** about boxing Full Member

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    This is a casual fans dream.
     
  10. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    I don't go off walkaround weight so much either, Olu. Your boy Twink might walkaround as high as 180lbs sometimes but he will be a fat little oompa loomp at that weight. Whereas, Crawford, even 5 years ago at 170 was super lean, with very low body fat, and he's still lean and in fighting shape at 180.

    I'm a ring weight guy. In fact, I am the ring weight guy on here. Nobody has done as much research as I have trying to find out fighter's ring weights and that's what I go off
     
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  11. African Cobra

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    Tank at 180 pounds! Blimey that would some sight. If Bud is walking around that high it’s amazing he could fight at Lightweight. I know he struggled like Spence did to make 147 pounds.
     
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  12. m.s.

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    Golovkin only had a little temporary scuff mark on his forhead that was gone right after the fight. Canelo couldnt come close to denting the 40 year old GGG. Golovkin won at least 4 rounds, if not 5 in the trilogy fight. Golovkin won at least 3 out of the last 4 rounds vs Canelo. The fight was actually as close as the judges had it. Canelo couldn't even begin to hurt GGG, who was a tank at 168LBS.
     
  13. FrankinDallas

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    This is on the level of a Jake Paul fight to me. A payday, an event, but not a match real fight fans should be clamoring for.

    Then again I went to the Jake Paul- Mike Tyson fiasco so what do I know. I'm not exactly Quasimodo over here.
     
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  14. Serge

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    Yeah, many claimed Spence was much bigger than Crawford but I never bought into that. A lot or people assume that just because a fighter has come up in weight 1, 2, 3 or even 4 divisions that they're going to be the smaller or much smaller than their opponent who is a career fighter at a higher or much higher weight class but that's not the case. Some fighters are just massive weight bullies and you have to factor in how much they rehydrate after the weigh in compared to the 'bigger' fighter from aa higher weight class and also the age multiple weight champs turned pro

    For example. Haney came up from 135 where he was way bigger and heavier than everyone he fought, like at least 2 divisions bare minimum. The 'bigger' Rougarou is a career 140 but come fight night Haney blew up to 165 despite the fact it was his 140 debut and Rougarou weighed 156, so Haney wasn't only the bigger man he was way bigger.

    If fighters are actually facing much or way bigger opponents when they move up who hold big or huge physical advantages over them then that's a very different thing than what massive weight bullies are doing and obviously a lot more difficult and dangerous too

    People can say what they want about Floyd but one criticism they can't level at him is that he was a weight bully

    When know from the amount of weight Crawford has been rehydrating throughout his career (and he's still doing it at 154 now) that at worst he and Spence would've weighed about the same as each other and Crawford has a longer reach than Spence.