Canelo v. Hagler's Top Middleweight Opponents?

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  1. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    So, in your opinion, Alvarez has all the advantages and a clean sheet, in comparison to Barkley... ...It might be the case; it might not.


    But, then again, I think we'd have to favor both power and strength, going to Barkley, as a given. I'd also be quite confident in Barkley's workrate being better; more consistent throughout, than that of Canelo's.

    Prime Barkley wasn't particularly slow of hand, either - and he had a solid offensive armory. So, I think defensively flawed or not, Barkley is coming forward for Canelo, no matter what.

    Interestingly, I think it is Kalambay who has said that he considered Barkley the smartest fighter he'd ever faced. Weird, when you know Kalambay had faced opponents like McCallum, Graham and Nunn.

    I'm not sure why Canelo gets so much credit for smarts and, in competition at the Middleweight limit, he is 2-0-1. So, I'm not sure why he is getting so much credit as a Middleweight, either.


    On balance, I wouldn't say a comparison with Barkley is all that favorable for Alvarez.
     
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  2. George Crowcroft

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    Canelo's ring IQ is good enough to make the Necessary adjustments when he needs them. Barkley's wasn't as good imo.

    I'm not convinced Barkley goes 2-0-1 at MW with Canelo's opposition.
     
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  3. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Can you give me an example of when Canelo has needed to make adjustments, during the course of a contest, and what he actually did to adjust in that case? It's a genuine question, as I can't recall him entering the ring with anything other than a singular strategy for the 12 rounds.


    I am not convinced either - but, if I'm a betting man, I favor a six-foot, rugged and hurtful puncher, with a useful and fast jab, as well as a relatively high workrate, like Barkley, to have some success in there against either of them. Neither Jacobs nor Golovkin are supermen; they weren't even in their primes when Canelo faced them, in my opinion.

    Actually, thinking about it and as much as I like the guy, Jacobs could well take a drubbing from Barkley. He just doesn't appear to have any means of going up in gears, at the top-tier of competition and I think Barkley would force him into uncomfortable territory.

    Barkley/Golovkin would be a 'do or die' battle but, again, unless we're banking on a Golovkin KO victory, as we have become accustomed to over the course of his fairly flat ledger (at least, up until he faced some comparatively world class competition), then he's just going to take as much punishment as, if not more than, what he dishes out to The Blade.
     
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  4. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Welcome back, Kotter!
     
  5. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    :lol: Hey JT. How’s it going?
     
  6. JohnThomas1

    JohnThomas1 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Hey man great. Good to see you about.
     
  7. Man_Machine

    Man_Machine Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Yeah - Good to see you're still here (not sure everyone else is) - I have been able to look in on the forum briefly, on occasion, but not really had the time to post.

    Hoping to have more time in the coming months.
     
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  8. mrkoolkevin

    mrkoolkevin Never wrestle with pigs or argue with fools Full Member

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    Agreed.
     
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  10. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Member Full Member

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    He might beat Minter. Minter was tough mentally but seemed average physically

    The Version of Roldan who fought Hagler would probably beat Canelo to a pulp long before the final bell

    I've seen Canelo. He's no big deal
     
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  11. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Member Full Member

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    DLH?

    Like Oscar but those opponents are too physical for him

    What's more, I think the 6' - 2" Obel knocks him out with that right hand
     
  12. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist Full Member

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    Lol @Roldon beating Canelo.
     
  13. Mark Dunham

    Mark Dunham Member Full Member

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    Why not? He proved himself against the best ever in Hagler who found Roldan almost impossible to hit the first two rounds. Hagler found it difficult to avoid his shots even with one eye shut closed. Did you see the fight?

    Roldan would TOTALLY throw off the limited, control conscious, slightly above average middleweight like Canelo (didnt he LOSE to Mayweather???)

    Roldan was a lethal hitter with both hands and didnt tire. He would disrupt Canelo who would be unable get set, and fall into the same groove as Kinchen while accumulating punishment over the rounds.

    Roldan tkos him inside 12
     
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  14. UltimateDestroyer

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    He'd lose to all of Hamsho, Roldan, Vito, Minter, because he has no stamina
     
  15. NoNeck

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    Roldon reminds me of Carlos Baldomir.

    Did he ever even beat a top ten contender? Maybe Kinchen?