Canelo vs GGG IV who takes it

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  1. Levook

    Levook Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I actually wouldn't mind seeing them fight again. They're both among the elite fighters out there, Canelo more so according to most.

    They make for an intriguing matchup, if GGG comes at the very right time in preparation & has a last gasp of greatness left. Canelo is being whispered about these days with words like 'past peak' & 'end of prime', spooky stuff lol. From what I see, he looks as if he ain't gonna improve anymore that's for sure, & if Golovkin can get the fire up for it, who knows? I wouldn't bet on him, but 40 isn't 'ancient' anymore, either

    What weight would they fight at anyway? SMW?
     
  2. The Cryptkeeper

    The Cryptkeeper Boxing Addict Full Member

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    It didn't appear to be a criticism of Canelo...it appeared more an observation that GGG for whatever reason, was really poor.

    But Canelo did exactly what he had to do.
     
  3. BCS8

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    Many words to say that Canelo could do nothign against an old fighter that he said he'd stop and ruin. Instead he ended the fight getting pushed back by Grandpa. Canelo did nothing and fanboys are trying to come to terms with it.
     
  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Canelo thoroughly dominated and blew out "Grandpa" GG. I have to come to terms with what? Canelo did what he had to do, successfully defended his Undisputed Titles and won with ease. If you know anything about Canelo, you would know that his goal is to stop every opponent. He set out to stop Ryder too, it didn't end up happening, though he knocked him down and beat him up badly, does that mean he did "nothing" against Ryder? :lol:

    You're a funny guy but I get that you're looking for something to hang your hat on given GGG's underwhelming performance. In your mind, Canelo did "nothing" vs GGG because he didn't get the stoppage? Come on man, don't be a moron. You know how hard it is to stop GGG, especially with GGG fighting so defensively. I'd rather a fighter have the goal (in every fight) to stop their opponents. They may ultimately fail to get a stoppage, but you go out there and put a beating on someone, if the stoppage happens, it happens. If not, at least they tried and put it on their opponents. That's boxing. Canelo fans have nothing to come to terms with. I knew how hard it would be to stop GGG, so I never thought that was ever a distinct possibility. My prediction for the 3rd fight was another close competitive decision. The only thing I was wrong about is that Canelo beat GGG much easier than I expected, which you clearly haven't come to terms with.
     
  5. m.s.

    m.s. Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    GGG, is 41 now I believe. They would fight at 168lbs I'm sure. I think they both laid the rivalry to bed though. GGG went into the last fight with the mind set of, try to get the win, but take the least amount of damage as possible. Retirement is looming. If he was willing to take more damage, the fight was winnable for him. He stayed true to his family. Smart guy.
     
  6. BCS8

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    Meanwhile in Shadow's world a 41 year old guy narrowly losing to his hero is a heroic win that his delusions will spin into a galactic victory. He's deluded enough to imagine that Clenboy failing to do what he said he'd do is praiseworthy.
     
  7. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "narrowly"? The press and most fans overwhelmingly saw it as a very one-sided blowout. You and a couple of GGG super fans are clinging to the "it was close" storyline. GGG was 40, not 41. he's 41 now. That's another exaggeration trying to make him older than he was when he lost. I happen to agree with the majority of the sports media and the majority of the fans who saw it as very one-sided, so there's no need for me to spin anything. You're free to disagree and argue it was close, we can disagree about that no problem, but the one making excuses for what happened is you and trying to play damage control for GGG. If you give GGG every remotely close round (as the judges did) you can end up with a score that was close on the cards, those were very favorable scores to GGG, and he probably got all the close rounds because he was older.

    If you remember before the fight I was very prepared for something like this to happen, and I said if it's even remotely close GGG has a good chance of winning a decision because of that. It turned out to be a very accurate prediction of how the judges scored it, the only part I got wrong was just how one-sided it was and the extent to which the judges would score in favor of GGG. But again, judges aside, which you've already went out of your way to discredit in both of the first two fights, the press and most fans saw it for what it was, a very one-sided fight.
     
  8. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So now press scores matter? But when virtually everyone calls the first fight a robbery, fans and press scores suddenly mean zilch?? You have no consistency, or shame, at all....
     
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  9. MAD_PIGE0N

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    There's no point in a fourth fight, but theoretically, it'll be Canelo winning again, so the official score will be 3 wins and one draw, but the real one will be 2:2.
     
  10. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "virtually everyone" doesn't call the first fight a robbery. Most had it for GGG but the majority recognized it as close and compeittive. The difference with the 3rd fight is that most don't recognize it as close and the masses saw it as one-sided. The press scores of the 3rd fight were far wider for Canelo than the first fight was for GGG. Press scores should be taken with a grain of salt, I've never subscribed to the idea that they are the be all end all. But you can't cite them as proof of what happened in the first fight then completely ignore them in the 3rd fight.
     
  11. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    :lol: You take umbrage with "Virtually everyone"? Fine, we'll just go with 90+% of the people who saw it. I don't care about the third fight. It's you tendency to use things only when they suit you and your narrative. Press and fans scores ONLY matter when they help you, got it....
     
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  12. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Of course you don't, GGG got blown out and you don't wanna talk about it.
    It's the complete opposite. That's what GGG fans and Canelo haters did for 5 years in regards to the first 2 fights. They went on and on about the press scores religiously. I'm merely giving them a taste of their own medicine. Now the shoe's on the other foot and they don't know how to deal with it since they've been on the other side of that fence for so long.
     
  13. BCS8

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    So you have GGG 2-1 ahead in their trilogy too?
     
  14. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, because, of course, boxing matches aren't scored by the press. And, as you know, the press did not see either of the first 2 bouts as one-sided like they saw the 3rd. The first match the majority of the press scored for GGG, mostly 7-5 or 8-4. The 2nd a lot more scored it for Canelo, and the ones who scored it for GGG had him winning very narrowly. The 3rd fight, the press overwhelmingly scored it for Canelo. To my knowledge, not a single press row scorer scored it for GGG and the Canelo winning press scores were far wider than either of the first 2.
     
  15. The Real Lance

    The Real Lance Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No idiot, i was referring to your ridiculous level of inconsistency and cherry picking.

    I see....you chastised 3G fans for bringing up fan/press scores and not being relevant. But now you think they are, so you can say, "My turn..." If you actually believed fans/press scores don't matter, then they don't matter regardless of your horse. But I doubt you get that anyway.
     
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