Canelo vs GGG IV who takes it

Agree. That was a close fight and if GGG turned it up a round or two earlier he wins. It was so disappointing to watch GGG be so cautious.

 

Only two had it for Canelo in the 2nd fight. 2 isn't alot more of anything.

 

2nd minute of 1st round in 3rd fight

1:56 Feint by Canelo, GGG bites, Canelo appears to land a left hook. Hard to tell due to angle, then misses the follow-up right.

1:52 Left hook by Canelo, may have been blocked. Hard to tell from angle.

1:51 Jab by GGG through the guard, decent.

1:49 GGG jab attempt, mostly blocked by gloves.

1:45 Good hard jab landed by Canelo.

1:41 GGG jab lands through the guard - decent.

1:39 GGG jab attempt, blocked by gloves.

1:36 Jab by Canelo lands through the guard, comparable to the jabs landed by GGG at 1:49/1:41

1:33 Canelo uses head movement (leans right) to avoid a GGG jab, then counters with a good jab that lands.

1:33 GGG tries to a counter jab, he whiffs, Canelo counters with a right hook to the belt-line. This I'll count, it hit the upper part of the belt-line, landed flush.

1:29 GGG jab attempt misses short.

1:25 Both land jabs, GGG lands first, then Canelo counters. (about the same impact)

1:25 Follow-up quick jab by GGG, Canelo slips it mostly, maybe it grazed Canelo, but mostly slipped. (not counted as landed for purposes of scoring the round)

1:21 GGG jab attempt parried

1:18 Canelo jab lands (somewhat parried but landed to forehead before the glove got on it)

1:11 Flush jab by Canelo lands to GGG's forehead

1:03 Canelo (mostly) slips GGG straight right hand with head movement. It may have grazed the side of head but it was mostly slipped

1:01 GGG jab lands through the guard. (decent)

0:59 GGG jab lands through the guard. (better)

0:58 Canelo jab lands through the guard (better/harder than the previous 2 jabs landed by GGG)

0:55 GGG jab lands, Canelo tried to pull back but couldn't avoid it. (decent impact, not great impact, but decent)

0:53 GGG right hand appears to land, as Canelo tried to pull away but couldn't avoid it. Not hard, but decent.

0:34 Canelo jab lands. (decent)

0:32 Canelo lands another jab (decent)

0:31 Canelo left hook, appears to land.

0:27 Both men throw jabs, both may have landed, but can't see them clearly due to far away camera angle.

0:17 They trade hooks, Canelo's lands harder/better, GGG's hook was more of a grazing shot.

0:14 GGG tries a jab, misses short

0:14 Canelo counters with a good flush jab.

0:08 GGG jab attempt is blocked by gloves.

0:06 GGG jab mostly blocked by gloves.

0:04 Canelo jab lands to side of head.

0:01 GGG jabs a decent jab right as the bell rings.

So GGG did land more jabs than Canelo this round, and I agree that GGG landed a lot more than 1 or 2 jabs.

Looking at the compubox, in round 1, GGG got credit for 2/32 while Canelo got credit for landing 2/21. They both landed way more than 2 jabs. It wasn't just GGG who got short changed by Compubox jabs landed. Likewise, Canelo only got credit for landing 3/12 power shots. GGG got credit for 1/4 power shots.

So GGG landed more jabs in round 1, but most of them were light baby jabs or decent/okay jabs. They weren't piston like jabs. GGG only landed a couple good solid jabs, so compubox / dazn were only counting the hard, no doubt about it, jabs.

What you do is add up every punch that connects, even if it has nothing on, then give GGG the round because he landed more, without looking at how well punches landed.

When comparing significant punches landed in round 1, Canelo landed more. He landed the harder jabs, he landed several more eye catching power shots. Yes GGG landed more jabs, but most were light baby jabs, grazing shots, or decent shots. The hard jabs landed by both were very comparable, while Canelo landed a lot more power shots.

A competitive round, but giving that round to GGG due to him landing more light baby jabs or decent jabs is a stretch. Ineffective jabs do not offset the more power punches landed by Canelo with a comparable amount of hard jabs.

 

Your wrong just because your wrong, nothing more.

 

Thats your perspective, the jabs weren't all bobblehead jarring like the 2nd fight but they were affective. Canelo could probably vouge for that. Golovkin won that round. Canelo don't just win rounds for showing up.

 

Compared to the first fight, more people had he 2nd fight a draw, more scored it for Canelo, less saw it as a robbery, etc. Press, current, former boxers, fans etc. What I'm getting at is that even though most still had GGG winning, everyone recognized that it was a very close competitive fight. The 3rd fight on the other hand was not recognized as such.

 

Canelo did more than show up. He landed more power punches, and there were a comparable amount of hard, impactful jabs landed by both. I get why you scored that round for GGG, but it wasn't a clear round for GGG by any means are you are making it seem. Counting connects is not how rounds are scored. You have to evaluate the impact of punches, which you don't seem to be doing.

 

How many rounds would you say were truly close and arguable for GGG? Round 1, 9-12? I think m.s. said 6 and 8 too. OK but any of those rounds could easily go to Canelo. Whereas the other rounds were clear and mostly dominated by Canelo. So you have maybe 6 or 7 rounds that you could bend over backwards and theoretically give to GGG. But you have 5 or 6 rounds that were clear dominant Canelo rounds. You do the math. GGG did not do enough. So he kept about half the rounds relatively close by covering up and throwing mostly weak ineffective jabs, and the other half he was pretty much dominated in.

 

Some were effective, most weren't. And the ones that were, were offset by equally good if not better jabs by Canelo. I'm not saying GGG didn't land some decent to good jabs in the round, but so did Canelo. And Canelo landed more flashy power shots. I get why you scored it for GGG, you count connects, end up with GGG connecting more, and that's how you score. I don't credit baby jabs like you do and use that to argue GGG won rounds. Now granted, two of the three judges gave that round to GGG. It's a debatable round but you're acting like GGG won it clear. At best it's a toss-up round taht could be argued either way. You have your opinion and I have mine, and we can disagree no problem.

 

LOL @Shadow
"Little baby jab for GGG"

"Earthshaking hook causing spit and sweat to spray out in an eruption by Canelo"

Never change

 

I don't count flashy misses, shots on the arms, or low blows. The jab was disrupting everything Canelo was trying to do.Those so called baby jabs were setting up heavy stuff that was very concerning to Canelo, and what you call baby jabs feels like something different to Canelo, GGG'S hands are heavy.

 

Both 1&2 were very competitive fights, they are both classics, just the wrong guy won. The 3rd fight was won by Canelo, Golovkin did better than most thought though. If you have 5 clear for Canelo, 3 rounds even, and 3 rounds clear for GGG you have a two point difference. Thats what im talking about, the close rounds don't go automatically to Canelo. 115 -113 was fair, and is the fairest non biased result. Its not a common accurence in Canelo fights, so folks aren't calibrated for it. Its like the sun coming out at night, it just don't happen.