Canelo vs Golovkin 2016 - who takes it

What exactly he did?
btw I think only one insecure here are you. You even had claimed that Canelo was inexperienced when fought 36 y.o Floyd Jr, I will devalue these claims with a glance. Canelo then already had excellent pro resume.
You are also very insecure when there had been discussions about fight Canelo vs Floyd Jr.

You really think that here all ppl who does not agree with your opinion are GGG fans or Canelo haters? If so, then nothing to comment here.

 

shadow I respect your relentlessness , unless you are sponsored by Clenbuterol Meats inc.
But as you see it’s just 4 of you and Clen’s family who believe Clen won against GGG. The rest of the world knows what happened.

 

I think they were assuming with fair judges, which is almost impossible to imagine when Canelo fights are concerned, or a GGG beat down which even back then is unlikely.

 

When you say fair judging, that's only if the judges score it in favor of GGG. If GGG doesn't get the decision, then it wasn't fair judging, right?

 

You don't know? Did you watch the fights?

I said he was inexperienced as a PPV Main Eventer. He was only a young pup at 23 years old. Compared to what he is now, he was very inexperienced and far before his prime. You know that. And he was weight drained.

As far as being insecure, the constant theme with me is that I generally agree with the judges scores. I agreed with how close the judges scored Canelo vs Mayweather, it was Floyd fans who exaggerated saying it was a shutout or a Floyd domination. Floyd fans are very insecure about that. I agreed with how the judges scored the Canelo GGG fights, thought they were fair. What's wrong with that?

The only people insecure are the people who constantly complain about the judges because their fighter didn't get the decision or because they disagreed with it. It's one thing to disagree with a decision, but when it comes to Canelo, with the judging, this has entered the conspiracy realm. Every fight of his that goes the distance they claim robbery or favorable judging, that is being insecure. How about you stop crying about the judges.

I'm just telling it like it is and calling out Big drama queen shenanigans.

 

He was fighting at a lower weight class, of course he would be fighting smaller opponents duh. You know what was funny though, when GGG dragged up little Kell Brook all the way up to 160.

 

Canelo was not fighting at 160, GGG was. Of course they both wanted to fight each other at their best weights. Duh. Canelo said in Oct 2015 GGG if you want to fight me now come down to 155 or wait 1 or 2 years I will move up to 160.

When Canelo vacated the belt he did so because he was given artificial deadlines to agree to terms.

Golovkin happily accepted his new status but said he believes Alvarez will still fight him.

"I'm honored to be named WBC middleweight world champion," Golovkin said. "Canelo is a warrior, and I know we will still fight because that's the fight the fans want to see."

 

This place is a GGG echo chamber. If you get outside this GGG bubble and into the real world you'll find the rest of the world knows what happened and recognizes what happened. And need I remind you, what happened wasn't that GGG won, what happened was that the first fight was a draw and the rematch was a Canelo victory. That's what happened. Don't try to twist it.

 

I do not agree that Canelo was inexperienced when he had fought vs Floyd Jr.
Because his resume looked beautiful even before fight vs Floyd Jr.
He already had under belt fights vs such kind of opponents :
Austin Trout - Wikipedia

26-0-0 then.

Before fight vs Canelo he had won vs Cotto!

So, very dangerous and experienced operator in Trout !

Shane Mosley - Wikipedia



Already had fights vs Pacman! Under belt! He went all distance vs Pacman who then was in good shape.

He then had also fight vs Floyd Jr under belt, too went all distance!

So very good boxer!

Had under belt fight vs Cotto, again fight went all distance!

2X fights vs Winky Wright !!!!!!!under belt!



Won vs Oscar DLH under belt!!!!!!!



So there is easily to see how high level opponents Canelo had in the ring BEFORE fight vs Floyd Jr!



Canelo’s resume even before fight vs Floyd Jr looked so damn beautiful!!!!!!!

 

I agree with all that, yes he was experienced, but he was still very young and was still developing as a fighter. He was inexperienced as a PPV Main Eventer. He was not at the stage of his career that he was poised to beat Mayweather who was P4P #1 at that time who was still in his prime and who fought the fight of his life that night. Canelo's experience did play a role though in making it very tough fight for Mayweather. Mayweather was used to dominating people, but this was different. Canelo got a draw on one card and a narrow decision loss. Canelo's experience played a big role in making that such a close fight.

 

Incorrect, the results to both fights were inaccurate, so quite frankly i have no faith in the judges in a Canelo vs GGG fight. If they were fair i would have no problem with them. It would be like if Pacquiao alway lost to Bradley. The judges gave it to the right guy in the next two fights, granted the fights vs GGG were closer.

 

But do you admit that you have a rooting interest for GGG that would lead you to score close rounds for him and conclude that the judges scores were incorrect? And if not, keep in mind, one judge had that first fight 115-113 in favor of GGG.

So you would deem at least one judge's score accurate right? Then the other judge had it a draw, which isn't too far from what you deem reasonable. So then the only score that you would deem as wholly unrasonable would be Byrd's card. Which we both agree was too wide for Canelo.

The difference between what you deem as reasonable and what I deem reasonable in that first fight at least really just comes down to how we score a handful of close rounds. I mean take Moretti who scored it 115-113 GGG, Moretti gave the 10th round and the 11th round to Canelo, rounds that you thought were GGG rounds, but he gave the 3rd round to GGG, a round that you thought was a Canelo round.

So he ended up with a final score that is in line with what you deem reasonable, but how he arrived at that score was still different than you arrived at it. The point being, this was a hard fight to score. There were many close rounds that can be interpreted in a variety of ways. And in my estimation GGG got very favorable scoring in rounds 4-6 each of which could have gone to Canelo. But you didn't see my crying about the verdict. That's the difference, as a Canelo fan I didn't feel entitled to a Canelo victory. I recognized it was close and that GGG fought well. GGG fans on the other hand had a cow over the verdict.

Boxing judging is very subjective, what you say is an accurate score through your eyes does not not make your subjective opinion the definition of accurate. When you take fan biases into the equation in as close and competitive of a match as it was, it's no surprise that people disagree with the result, and especially Byrd having it so wide for Canelo. But that doesn't make the verdict of a draw unreasonable. In many ways a draw was the best result because such a result demanded a rematch.

 

You prize prune lol Fair judging is when the better fighter on the night gets the win he deserves NOT the one that the promoters tell you make the winner LOL. Canelo wont fight unless he has the NSAC, Vegas boxing & their officials backing him. that way he knows he only has to be standing at the final bell to ensure he cannot lose

 

You're right that Ward was never coming down to 164. Ward also never claimed that he would fight anyone between four different weight classes when he sent Golovkin the offer. He was straight up, honest and truthful and said 168.

Golovkin on the other hand was claiming for years that he'd fight anyone from 154-168.

So Canelo is responsible for knowing GGG was full of **** when he was saying anyone between 154-168? Lmao!!!

Bro, just chill. Accept that GGG was never the fighter he claimed to be.

 

If thats so what does that make Clenelo ?? GGG has TWO LEGITIMATE wins over Canelo!!! Plus Canelo meekly handed back the WBC belt rather than defend it @ the 160 weight limit like a real champion would.
That makes El Pollo Canelo a FRAUD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!