Canelo vs Golovkin 2016 - who takes it

Well, Ward is great boxer, approx the same level as the King Ottke did had and was huge tickets seller.

 

All Canelo has to do is be standing at the end of the fight is what it proved, and that proof can't be changed in the minds of fans. Canelo will be forever stained by that bs. As well as the Clenbuterol and Adylide Byrde, the judge you think so highly of.

 

He pointed out that Canelo had never fought above 155 in his career, and that GGG said he would fight anywhere between 154 and 168. GGG even said he would go down to 154 for Mayweather. So GGG indicated he would have no problem fighting below 160, as Cotto had been doing. And Canelo made it clear after he fought Khan he had no problem fighting at 160. That doesn't change the fact that at that point Canelo had never fought above 155.

So even though GGG said he would fight anyone between 154-168, Canelo makes it clear he had no problem fighting GGG at 160. There's no contradiction between what Canelo said about having no problem fighting GGG at 160 and the fact that at that point he had never fought above 155. Both are factual statements. Remember it was DLH who made the statement that Canelo's body wasn't ready for 160. So lets not confuse what DLH said vs what Canelo said.

Those are two completely different things. First of all, it was DLH who made statements about how Canelo's body wasn't ready to move up to 160, not Canelo himself. Second, when those statements were made, that was a full year before he fought Chavez at 164. You have to look at the timeframe. After he beat Khan, they made the decision to challenge Liam Smith for his 154-lb title rather than move up to Fight GGG. He wanted to move-up to Middleweight properly, as a 154-lb Champion, rather than as a Middleweight Champ who won his title at a catchweight.

When he fought Cotto, he didn't take that fight because he wanted to win the MW Title or fight GGG, it was because Cotto was the biggest name out there willing to fight him, and the only way to fight Cotto was for that title. Canelo would have been fighting at 154-lbs all along if Mayweather hadn't been holding that division hostage, refusing to rematch him or defending his 154-lb titles vs anyone else. That was why Canelo was fighting non-title fights at 155, because Mayweather was allowed to hold those titles without rematching him or defending them at 154. He wanted one more fight at 154, for a 154-lb title vs Liam Smith, then he would move up.

After he beat Liam Smith, he used the next 8 months to prepare to move up to Middleweight. He needed to fight a Middleweight (or bigger) before fighting GGG and Chavez Jr was the perfect opponent. He needed one fight vs a bigger guy before stepping in with GGG which makes sense. You wouldn't want to step in with the best Middleweight in the world after fighting 154-lbers and blown up welterweights all your career. Canelo needed that step up vs a Middleweight / Super Middleweight to get a sense of what it's like to fight a bigger fighter before stepping in with GGG.

So to review, when DLH said Canelo's body wasn't ready for 160, that was in mid 2016. At that time, Canelo's team was not ready to move up to Middleweight. It wasnt until The next year, that he and his team decided they were ready to move up to MIddleweight which is why he fought Chavez Jr to test himself at a higher weight before fighting GGG. So it wasn't as if he said his body wasn't ready for MW then the next day decided to fight Chavez at 164 lmao. It took a full year from when DLH said that to when he was ready to move up in weight to when he moved up.

 

That's not how boxing works and you know that's not how boxing works. If you don't landed punches you have no chance of winning. The fact that you argue that all Canelo has to do is be standing at the end and he'll win is a garbage take that has no basis in reality. It's what bitter fanboys say when they refuse to look at or understand what happened.

You choose to live in a fantasy realm rather than deal with what happened. Never was this more apparent than when we tried to go punch for punch in round 11 of the rematch and GGG fans were caught ignoring Canelo punches, saying GGG punches landed that were blocked, and refused to acknowledge it when pressed and presented with photographic evidence.

 

He claimed that the fight only didn’t happen in 2016 because of the weight issues, Canelo said there was no issue with the weight. So, the statement that suggests there was any issues with the weight, according to Canelo himself, is a blind, shameless, dishonest, outright LIE. Canelo’s past has nothing whatsoever to do with this, because there’s a statement from the man himself. The fight didn’t happen in 2016 because GBP didn’t want Canelo to have anything to do with GGG in 2016. Whether they wanted the fight to marinate or wanted GGG to look slower and more beatable before making the fight is anyone’s guess.

And “anyone from 154-168” is NOT “anywhere between 154-168”. Nice try, though.

And sorry, don’t have time for your 1000 paragraphs of fanboying about the selective catchweight thing, the same way I didn’t have time for the GGG fans dig at Ward above.

 

Canelo said there was no issue with the weight, but DLH said there was an issue with the weight. You continue to ignore the fact that Canelo and DLH were taking different stances, and what you're trying to do is conflate what DLH said with what Canelo said.

It's not a "blind, shameless, dishonest, outright LIE" to point out that Canelo and GGG had been fighting at different weights and that Canelo and his team needed time to plan a permanent move up to Middleweight. It would have been a mistake for Canelo to get right in there with GGG as his first fight ever vs a true Middleweight.

Fighting another Middleweight / Super Middleweight like Chavez Jr before getting in there was GGG was very important. It was also important to Canelo to fight Liam Smith because he wanted to move up to Middleweight properly, as a 154-lb Title Holder.

As you said, his promoter GBP, mainly DLH, advised him to drop the belt and not move up right away. But Canelo himself sounded like was ready for GGG right after Amir Khan. Canelo was willing to take on anybody anytime, but DLH as his promoter was trying to convince him to be smarter and take his time before moving up. Why is this so hard for you to understand the difference between a fighter wanting to fight the best right away and his promoter who is trying to smarter about it and not rush into anything?

This goes back to what happened with Mayweather, Canelo went against DLH's advice and fought Mayweather. Canelo ended up putting himself at a weight disadvantage and ended up losing. If he would have listened to DLH he would not have fought Mayweather under those conditions and would still be undefeated. So this time when it came to GGG, he listened to DLH, and did what DLH advised him, to drop the belt and wait to the next year before moving up to MW.

Rushing into a GGG match as his first fight at MW would have been premature. It's always better and smarter to take a warmup at a higher weight before getting in there with the best fighter of a higher weight division as your first fight in the higher weight.

 

This forum hates Canelo

 

115-113 and 116-112 would only be reasonable if those scores were for GGG in both fights, and i say only reasonable.

 

Canelo won rounds 1-3 & 10-12 in the first fight. That's 6 rounds for Canelo right there. It's a stretch to give any of those rounds to GGG. Rounds 4-6 could go either way, rounds 7-9 were GGG.

I don't know how you end up with 115-113 or 116-112 for GGG when he lost 1-3 & 10-12 and arguably lost round 4 5 or 6. The best you can do for GGG is a draw in that first fight if you give him all the close rounds.

 

@theanatolian By the way, the results of this poll support the idea that it would have been a mistake for Canelo to get right in there with GGG in 2016. I mean the poll is 51-2 that GGG would have won in 2016, so based on this poll, Canelo did the right thing by listening to DLH to wait till the next year before moving up.

Maybe there's some truth to this poll, maybe Canelo would have made a mistake and lost had he rushed into a GGG fight and fought him in 2016.

 

Really? Oscar said there was an issue with the weight after Canelo said otherwise? I must’ve missed it. The last statement I remember from anyone from Canelo’s camp was about weight being non-issue and then him vacating the belt to fight Liam Smith.

By the way, “Fighting GGG at his first fight at MW wouldn’t have made sense” is a logical argument.

“The fight only didn’t happen in 2016 because of the issues about the weight” is a lie.

 

When pressed about the weight Canelo said, " I have an a team but for me there is no issue, I'll fight at 160, but its something I have to discuss with my team".

As for Canelo moving up two divisions to fight Jr. So what, it was Jr. It wasn't the #1 or even a top 10 SMW. Just because he beat a gas been bum at 164 doesn't equate to being ready for MW.

You have to understand that pro boxing isn't just about belts. Its about two top dogs fighting belts or no belts. Like when Canelo fought Lara, no belts on the line. No one cared that there wasn't any.

If you're going to claim you'll fight anyone between 154-160, and your coach will claim that for you, then ****ing ey, don't start crying when someone says "ok lets meet at 155 no belts."

 

What are you talking about? Canelo outweighed GGG fight night as a jr middleweight.

 

30 year old Canelo vs 30 year old Golovkin

That's a better question.

2021 Canelo vs 2012 Golovkin

Canelo by KO