Canelo vs Gvozdyk short sparring footage

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  1. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If someone never fought another person then it is subjective isn’t it? They have never so much as stepped foot infront of each other, we can all have our opinions on something, but until it actually happens it is mere speculation, that goes for everything, the weatherman could say it’s definitely gonna rain tomorrow, the odds may be 95%, but that is just a calculated guess
     
  2. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Thanks, Mr. Obvious. The word "better" implies some kind of superiority when it comes to the overall craft of boxing. A light heavyweight needs less of that to beat Mayweather in a hypothetical 'no weight limit' bout than does a man who meets him at a weight limit and merely rehydrates fourteen pounds heavier than him.


    Mayweather and Gvozdyk won't ever step foot infront (sic) of each other. It's still very easy, for anyone with a more than casual interest in boxing, to discern which man is the "better" exponent of the craft. That was the point.

    This has become a ridiculous conversation. Such lily-livered relativism.
     
  3. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    Gvodyk was fighting nothing like Bivol there and was hella slow, bad prep for facing Bivol.
     
  4. mark ant

    mark ant Canelo was never athletic Full Member

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    But he`s a lot bigger than those two.
     
  5. Devon

    Devon Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I’m not talking about them 2 specifically, I mean in matchups, we can all have our opinion about peoples strengths and weaknesses and who will come out on top, but it’s just peoples opinion, it’s not technically factual until it actually happens, did anyone think Catterall would beat Taylor? He showed nothing previously to suggest what happened would happen
     
  6. hoopsman

    hoopsman Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Without taking sides (I don't know and don't care what the argument is), I can certainly appreciate that was one finely worded response. :applaudit:
     
  7. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Obviously.

    But that line of reasoning has realistic limits.
     
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  8. Dannymita

    Dannymita Boxing Addict Full Member

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    He said gvodzyk is the best canelos been in the ring with....when he's been in with ggg and Mayweather...both are definitely smaller than gvodzyk..both are definitely better than him as well... If your playoythe game of which opponents better..you have to do it in a literal pound for pound sense.. he can't say..oh this guy is better than them cos he would beat them.

    Mayweathers a midget in comparison to gvodzyk..but there's no doubting who is the superior boxer
     
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  9. Liquorice

    Liquorice Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    This reminds me how good 175 was a few years ago.. Kovalev, Bored, Beterviev, Stevenson, Gvozdyk, Jack, Bivol, Alvarez, Pascal, Barrera, Smith..

    Its still good but the main guy is getting on now & most of those names above are spent barring one or two.. shame they didn't mix it up more it had the potential to be a golden age that era
     
  10. The Townsend

    The Townsend Zeus. Full Member

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    Canelo doing his usual plod I see. I don't see why Bivol can't jab his head off all night.
     
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  11. Betyabeatyaup

    Betyabeatyaup Active Member Full Member

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    I don’t think people are understanding what the guy was saying. Who is more difficult for Canelo to beat, Floyd or Gvozdyk? Floyd is tiny and that’s the point, many believe that Canelo wasn’t anywhere near his best in that fight and it’s not as if it was a shut out. Gvozdyk is a 6’3 silver medalist and former light heavy champion who knocked out Adonis Stevenson and was a regular Usyk sparring partner. Who would you rather fight? In the literal sense, Gvozdyk is by far the tougher and more dangerous fight than Golovkin or Floyd.
     
  12. IsaL

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    :llorona:
     
  13. m.s.

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    Bivol will probably beat Canelo, Canelo barely pulled out the win vs Plant. I had it even going into round eleven. Some say GGG took a while to warm up. Canelo took as long or longer
    Maybe Canelo is the one who is old. Canelo was gassing out later in the fight as well. Canelo is not invincible as many think. It's too bad Bivol is going to get to him before GGG.
     
  14. navigator

    navigator "Billy Graham? He's my man." banned Full Member

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    Despite his misleading use of language, we got his point, in all its banality;

    But, even then, were Canelo to have faced Gvozdyk as he now faces Bivol, he would have been doing so as a fully developed man in his physical prime, bigger and stronger than he was when he fought Floyd. I guess it all comes down to how highly you rate Gvozdyk in addition to the challenge of weight. I was never that impressed by him — a lot had been assumed about his level in some quarters on the basis of muh amateur record, but taking eleven rounds to get rid of an old pimp (ripe for the picking, having plodded into his dotage on a years-long run of C guys, tough but limited Poles and super middleweight contenders) suggests a clear distance between myth and reality — so I still think it's perfectly arguable that a twenty-two-year-old junior middleweight version of Canelo beating Mayweather is the greater hypothetical achievement.

    Gvozdyk was essentially a tougher, orthodox Lucian Bute, i.e. a talented but ingenuous boxer athlete capable of unifying a couple belts in the right circumstances (Beterbiev = not the right circumstances).
     
  15. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    watch more boxing. maybe youll start to see some things.