Canelo vs Smith

Discussion in 'World Boxing Forum' started by DodgySyrup, Nov 11, 2019.


Canelo vs Smith, who wins?

  1. Canelo (k.o)

    16 vote(s)
    24.6%
  2. Smith (k.o)

    7 vote(s)
    10.8%
  3. Canelo (UD)

    18 vote(s)
    27.7%
  4. Smith (UD)

    6 vote(s)
    9.2%
  5. Canelo (SD)

    3 vote(s)
    4.6%
  6. Smith (SD)

    1 vote(s)
    1.5%
  7. Draw

    1 vote(s)
    1.5%
  8. Blatant Canelo robbery regardless of fight

    13 vote(s)
    20.0%
  1. elmaldito

    elmaldito Skillz Full Member

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    Why would he demand it? Confidence issue?
     
  2. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Why is it such an issue?
    It evens the playing field. Make sure that both fighters are in the same weight class.

    I love how it´s an issue that Canelo demands it, but not when the IBF imposes it.
     
  3. BCS8

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    What did Canelo say to Khan when Khan wanted a weight consideration?

    Suddenly it was an issue.
     
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  4. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    ?
    Khan didn´t ask for one.

    And again, why is it so bad that Alvarez is asking for 10lb rehydration clauses? It´s a good thing.
    People seem to like the fact that the IBF mandates it(Jacobs can go **** himself. Instead of changing the rules, fines should have been implemented). But when Canelo asks for it, it´s a real issue apparently.
     
  5. iii

    iii Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Why not earn some respect & have a fight at alevel playing field instead of all the jiggery pokery...his
    standing is going down the pan...
     
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  6. BCS8

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    Well according to this he did:

    "Khan did very well in the fight and most observers had him ahead when the brutal ending came. It took a single massive punch from Canelo, in the sixth round, to knock Khan unconscious.


    The British star admits that he was very surprised by the size and strength of Canelo. In the pre-fight negotiations, Khan tried to negotiate a lower catch-weight - but his request was rejected."

    https://www.*******.com/amir-khan-canelo-around-180-pounds-i-expect--104392
     
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  7. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    And before the fight he said that he wanted Canelo at his best. That he wanted to make a statement and did not ask for a rehydration limit.
    And to be honest, a catch-weight and a rehydration clause are a different thing.

    Canelo hasn´t been enforcing any catch-weights. He is looking to implement the same rehydration rules as the IBF is doing. I just don´t see the reason why people would complain about this, besides the fact that it´s Canelo asking for it.
     
  8. BCS8

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    Rehydration limits and catchweights are the same kind of weight games.
     
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  9. DodgySyrup

    DodgySyrup Member Full Member

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    Ultimately, the closer the two fighters are in weight the better.

    As long as any clause isn't adversely affecting one party over the other, i don't see the issue.

    What we don't want is a situation where Canelo weighs in at the 168 limit (if it's fought at super middleweight) and rehydrates and is 175 or more on fight night, but Smith weighs in at 168 and then comes in at more like 180 come fight night.

    It's important Canelo gets a fair shake too.

    That's what being fair and impartial means.

    Yes, Canelo hasn't always reciprocated in kind to his opponents; but that's not the point.

    We can't change our moral values because others have none.

    This isn't to say Canelo and team have no scruples, I'm just making a broader point.

    Me, personally, the whole issue of what a fighter is on the scales at the weigh ins and then what a fighter is when the bell sounds for round one is a pet peeve.

    It means guys who are naturally, say a middleweight, come in on weight and ready, with little extra added overnight, while an opponent who is actually more like a super middleweight is able to creep down into lower weight divisions, just scrape by and make the limit, then bloat up.

    Consequently, you have two guys fighting for a middleweight title and one might be 162 and the other more like 172.

    I'm surprised it hasn't resulted in more injury.

    For me, fighters should be weighed the morning of the fight and then again 3 hours before, with a very strict, legally approved and binding, 1 or 2 pound over-weight limit.

    Not weighing 160, or at most 162, 3 hours before the fight and you are disqualified.

    It won't be any different to what exists now, except fighters will have to stay at the proscribed weight or fight at their natural weight.
     
  10. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    Not really.
    And again, how is the IBF´s rehydration rule a bad thing?
     
  11. BCS8

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    Rehydration and catchweights are a bad thing when they're used by the A side fighter to drain his opponent into uselessness. If you can't see this, then I can't help you.
     
  12. Badbot

    Badbot You can just do things. Full Member

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    But if it´s the same as what the IBF mandates?
    So if the IBF title were on the line, it would be fine. Since not, it´s an issue? Alright.

    Personally I agree. Catchweights and rehydration clauses are quite BS, with the rare exception. But what the IBF has done is a good thing. The second day weigh in allows fighters to fight in weight classes they do not belong to.
    "But everyone can dehydrate as much as the please." Yet not everyone is the same. Some can manipulate their bodies more than others. And dehydration carries health risks. Should fighter A risk his health because fighter B chose to do so?

    The 10lb rehydration rule is a good thing and there is nothing wrong with Canelo demanding it. Just like the WBC has 30 day, 15 day and 7 day weigh ins. Fighters need to be kept in check. Rapid weight loss carries risks.
     
  13. BCS8

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    Until he fights some drink of water again and they want a rehydration clause. :deal: Then he'll tell them to get lost. Because that is how Canelo operates.
     
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  14. Jackman65

    Jackman65 FJB Full Member

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    Okay, so Canelo only likes rehydration clauses when he fights bigger guys. For smaller guys, these clauses are unnecessary. Wonder why so many people hate this guy? For the record, I’m a fan of hydration clauses except at HW. I just don’t like guys mandating hydration clauses selectively, and only when it gives them an advantage. That is clearly what Canelo’s team is doing.
     
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  15. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    no they are not, stop saying stupid **** like that just cause it gets you likes. and no, there aint a thing in this world you would be able to help me with.
     
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