Canelo was a bit exposed

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  1. Babality

    Babality KTFO!!!!!!! Full Member

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    You don't lose to someone three weight classes down (one fight at 154). Nah. Can't let that happen. Go out on your shield.
     
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    MixedMartialLaw Fight sports enthusiast Full Member

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    You can if that person is Bud Crawford.
     
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    CooperKupp “B.. but they all playin NBA basketball again!” Full Member

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    Triple G beat him CLEARLY in their first fight. And Canelo had some other very close calls. I’ve always thought he was a bit overrated

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    Nothing that we didn’t already know. Elite, but at the same time lacking in fundamentals (jab, cutting off ring). What was more surprising was Crawford being at his natural weight, which means he was dehydrating a lot at lower weights
     
  5. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No, Canelo GGG 1 was a very close fight, the draw was very fair. Canelo has had some close calls, which really speaks to how great of a fighter he is. To have as many close hotly debated decisions as Canelo has had, all against great fighters mind you, this shows that he fights the best, takes risks and fights in a way that produced close hard to score fights. This is not a bad thing, and that isn't a reason to say he's overrated.

    Think about it this way - going into GGG 1, very few gave Canelo a chance. Most thought GGG would destroy him. Even to those that believed GGG won the first fight, they still were impressed by how well Canelo fought GGG, how he performend, etc. So after Canelo GGG 1, even if you thought he lost, he definitely did better than most people's expectations. Most thought he wouldn't survive, and he ended up going 12 hard rounds with GGG and having a good amount of success in that fight.

    He was actually underrated as far as what he would go on to achieve. He wasn't expected to even have a chance against GGG, he ends up going undefeated in 3 fights against GGG, winning 2. Then he goes on to capture Undisputed at SMW and had a long reign there. And after being stripped of a title for not fighting Scull, he ends up winning that title back becoming 2X Undisputed. He also became LHW Champ. I don't know how you can see him achieve these things and claim he's overrated. Very few expected him to have the incredible career he has had. And despite this close loss to Crawford, he's still going strong at 35 years old.
     
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    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    "A bit" exposed, perhaps, but not fully exposed. Crawford didn't do anything shocking. He did have some great moments don't get me wrong, but Canelo was still able to have his way with Crawford and control most of the fight. But what he didn't do was impose his will on Crawford, hurt Crawford or land any fight changing bombs that he has done in the past. Maybe in a rematch he can step up his game and apply a more sustained power attack to Crawford. He also wasn't able to trap Crawford on the ropes. Bud is a very slippery fighter with great footwork and with just a general Awkwardness that gave Canelo problems. Bud definitely showed that he has the style and the skills to beat Canelo and to do it again, but all it takes is one big shot from Canelo to change everything.
     
  7. tarrant45

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    Canelo has not been elite for many years. Elite fighters don't go the distance with Berlanga and 8-4 with Mungia. People need to stop throwing that word around so easily.
     
  8. Ricdog

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    Distance doesn’t mean he wasn’t elite. But I will say Canelo’s passiveness in the John Ryder fight was the major sign he had slipped. I just didn’t know yet by how much.
     
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    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    He had him very close to being out of there and maybe let Ryder survive. In that moment when Ryder was in trouble I don't think here was any doubt that Canelo posessed the ability to finish him, but he maybe just chose not to. I don't think that was evidence of him slipping, but I do think he is no longer looking for a KO. Against Crawford he could have likely ended it at any time, if he was able to get into position to land a big punch, and I think he needs to figure out how to do that with Crawford. You'd have to say now that Canelo wasn't fully prepared for Crawford's awkwardness but I wouldn't describe Canelo as passive against Ryder, at least not in the early stages. Once he had him in trouble he then became passive you could say, but not before that. And against Crawford, would you describe Canelo as passive? I'm not so sure, I think he was chasing Crawford for most of the fight and Crawford was able to land from the outside with his long reach and Canelo couldn't really get inside and do his work.
     
  10. m.s.

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    Canelo fought hard and gallantly. I thought he lost by 2 points, but I still need to watch it again. He fought and beat alot of good boxers. That being said, he also lost to some excellent boxers. To get a proper calibration on how special, or un special Buds win was, think about who did Canelo really lose to? Now that most the cash has been extracted from the cash cow, it's ok for the truth to come out. The reality is,the loss to Bud is his 7th loss. Canelo realistically lost close fights to slick boxers, Trout and, Lara, he lost clearly to Mayweather, then lost 2 tough grueling fights to GGG, after that, he lost to top light heavyweight and excellent boxer Bivol, and now Bud. On the flip side, Canelo has some great wins. He has 28 notable wins. So a record of 28-7 vs notable fighters is quite good. Canelo only having losses to Floyd, Bivol, and Bud is just plain absurd and a myth.
     
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  11. Ricdog

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    Don’t revise history. Trout was never slick, he was just an outsider fighter. His defense and skills were a level above average at best. He never beat Canelo. His only excuse is he knew the scorecards halfway through the fight (Texas rules back then). He never won another major fight besides Cotto, and being in Bare Knuckle.

    As for Lara and GGG, they had to pay. Molina whooped Lara and was robbed. And GGG would get his unearned W against Sergy. Even the ref interviewed for christs sake
     
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    Canelo Álvarez has faced challenges against mover-style fighters, like Erislandy and now to Bud. He lost to Lara on their fight (in his prime).
    Canelo at 35, has indeed accumulated significant wear and tear over his 66-fight career starting at age 15. In his recent performances in Berlanga and Scull (average fighters Class C) he definitely showed sign of declined. He had a luckluster performance In short Canelo is no longer in his peak prime.
    Crawford at 37 years old in September 2025, is likely still at or very near his peak prime. He only fought one elite in his entire career in Spence (who could not knockout a midget Garcia).
    Timing in boxing (when to fight an opponent) is very important to win.
     
  13. Chitown

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    I think you have the first 2 GGG fights mixed up. The remtch was extremely close and a draw was fair. The first fight was a clear Gennady win and was one of the worst robberies of the past 15 years.
     
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  14. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    No I had it right. And your reaction to Canelo GGG 1 is evidence of that.
     
  15. m.s.

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    It was amazing how well he put on the weight, and was still very effective.
     
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