Canelo's stamina is ruined (like Margarito/MAB was) cause he left high-altitude early

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  1. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    That's exactly what the scientific literature and common sense says. Fighters like to believe they're being cutting-edge/gaining an advantage.
     
  2. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    It's not about feeling the 'harshness', it's about upregulating EPO production. Big Bear is plenty high enough but the altitude also decreases the intensity you can work at, so it can be detrimental for fitness if you stay there for too long. If you compete at high altitude then it's important to train at high altitude. Otherwise the effects at sea level are very short-lived, your body adapts quickly.
     
  3. MannySteward

    MannySteward Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Your body produces more blood cells to make up for the lack of oxygen.

    So you have a greater capacity to carry oxygen in your blood stream. But the effects of this wear off very quickly i believe so i don't know why they left so soon.
     
  4. From:Russia

    From:Russia Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I have seen most recent videos and looks like Canelo lost some muscles(his arms became thin) and i think he is ****ed, i am losing interest in this fight, sad...
     
  5. Just read a bunch of **** on Google. Canelo should still be able to see some of the benefits from training at high altitude. His body will still be producing more red blood cells still so he have more oxygen in his blood.
     
  6. sweetray

    sweetray Well-Known Member Full Member

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    I had compared both fighters stamina in their last fights.
    By the 8 round Canelo looked very tired and an easy
    target to hit. Floyd looked fast and in control of the fight.
     
  7. brendo

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    Except, scientific literature does not say that.

    if you read the study at the top of this link,
    http://scholar.google.co.uk/scholar?...n&as_sdt=0,5
    it will explain what the physiological determinents of a successful boxer are: physical fitness as indicated
    by individual anaerobic threshold and maximal oxygen
    consumption, and upper-body muscular strength as indicated
    by hand-grip strength.

    Altitude training improves V02max (slightly) and improves aerobic capability at sea level http://bjsportmed.com/content/31/3/183.short

    which contrary to what some posters have said on here is important for boxing
     
  8. dealt_with

    dealt_with Boxing Junkie banned Full Member

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    Your link didn't work. There's far more scientific evidence showing that it doesn't help, I'm familiar with the literature. Altitude training generally reduces VO2max because you simply can't train at the appropriate intensities. VO2max is a central adaptation, altitude training is just for short term peripheral adaptations.
    VO2max is maximal oxygen consumption.
     
  9. brendo

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    Yea, i agree there is mixed evidence as to whether it improves v02 max. I don't think you can convincingly say that altitude training generally reduces V02 max as that simply isnt true! One of the factors affecting VO2max is Hb and RBC % which have been shown to increase with altitude training http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/...ges+to+simulated+live+high/train+low+altitude

    http://online.liebertpub.com/doi/abs/10.1089/ham.2008.1092?journalCode=ham
    especially when performed with live high train low technique. Not sure which form canelo is using?
     
  10. icebergisonfire

    icebergisonfire Floyd F*ckin Mayweather! Full Member

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  11. turbotime

    turbotime Hall Of Famer Full Member

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    Canelo and Floyd are also ducking Soto :verysad
     
  12. Da Boxer

    Da Boxer Cotto Soldier Full Member

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    Look what happend to Cotto during the Trout fight. He left way early from HA training and paid the price. I know Miguel does not have the best of stamina but his was really lacking and poor during the Trout fight. He gassed WAY earlier, I noticed that by round 3-5 he was breathing way harder than ever.

    Either way, its an easy fight my FMJr. no hope for the hypejob Canelo. :hi:
     
  13. str1

    str1 Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Oh ****, Aztecas is back. Now tell us again how Pac, Marquez and Mike Tyson ducked Soto?

    Canelo was doomed ever since he agreed to the 152 catchweight. He should of sticked to his guns and waited for CATCHweather to fight at the full jrMW limit just like he did with Cotto. Floyd/Showtime had no big options for Floyd, at that time, for a big successful PPV. Canelo just needed to wait a little longer to put the pressure on Floyd/Showtime. Alexander option was going to flop and they knew it.
     
  14. pourya

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    all i can say is LOL
    :tired
     
  15. Two Shakes

    Two Shakes Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was trying to simplify my example for those who didn't understand the science. My eldest Daughter has a degree in Biology, maybe i should get her to post a thread on the subject ?
    I am well aware of how and why altitude effects the body, in the same way it will alter fuelling and the way an engine will breath (as will barometric pressure at sea level).
    As for the air being thinner IT IS, air at altitude has the same make up as the air at sea level, but is under less pressure so in effect there is less of it.The reason our bodies need to process this more efficiently is because there is less of it.
    Try knowing what the **** your talking about, instead of googling.