Canelo's victory over Kovalev will not age well

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  1. The Sarge

    The Sarge Member Full Member

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    THe thing that is getting overlooked, is that its not easy to jump 160 to 175 if you are doing its by shovelling food in your gob . But to do it in muscle bulk? There is only one way, we all know it and Ginge is at it again. He brings the whole sport into disrepute again. When will he fight a live opponent and not have it rigged?
     
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  2. Scar

    Scar VIP Member Full Member

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    Alvarez had 7 fights at Middleweight, while Golovkin made a career there. Still, Alvarez' 7 fights there are more impressive than Golovkin's entire joke record. Martinez wanted a serious payday before retiring, he was clearly done with at that point. Golovkin wasn't a serious payday, he was more like a nobody that was begging for a free payday even though he accomplished nothing for it. So it was only logical for them to go for Cotto. Overlooking this reality further proves the hilarious mentalities of Golovkin fans.

    You don't build a name worth remembering for yourself by simply devouring bums, barking on twitter and begging for free paydays. Golovkin's career proves that. He got his free payday far too late, lost and now he's irrelevant.
     
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  3. DodgySyrup

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    I can only speak to what i think is greatness, what justifies extra superlatives, and with Canelo I think he's done a lot of great stuff, and the record will show he was a 4 weight champion.

    However, this is what I call genuine greatness; He moves up to Super-middleweight and after Fielding he takes on a top 10 (from the most respected governing body) 168 lbs fighter.

    After demolishing that person he then takes on the top guy, let's just say Callum Smith.

    He beats Smith.

    Then, having proven himself at that level against the best he moves up to 175 and takes on a tester, a journeyman, to see how he copes, and then he takes on a top 10 175 lbs fighter.

    After that, if you like, he faces and beats Kovalev as he did the other week.

    Now, he faces the top guy at 175 lbs...and wins...or doesn't.

    You see, he doesn't have to win in my eyes to be great.

    Taking on the best, in their prime, and acquitting himself well and showing heart is what greatness is about.

    Hs could be knocked spark out, but, you know what, he dared to be great.

    Now, honestly, ask yourself if this is the way Canelo has earned his 4 weight champion accolade.

    Ask yourself if you think he'll go anywhere near Smith or Beterbiev, or whether he'll try and either;

    A) Somehow get back to 160 and continue to weight bully naturally smaller guys or compete with the other bloated so called middleweights who weigh 160 the day before a fight but start the first round weighing more like 170.

    or

    B) Take other easier fights at 168, fights with just enough credibility to sell as a "tough test" but not tough enough to actually cause him any problems.

    There's a feeling, at least to me, that he isn't supposed to get beaten and that there'll always be some angle, some advantage, where possible that he'll exploit.

    Then again, he did fight GGG twice, and the books show he won one of those...but GGG was probably 3 or 4 years past his best while Canelo was just reaching his best years.

    Jacobs, ok, not too much you can say; though did he look any better against Danny that GGG did?

    Let's not mention the Amir Khan fi...errr, sacrificial lamb.

    To end this ramble, will the win age well?

    It seems the honest answer is...it depends who you ask.
     
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  4. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Was Khan a sacrificial lamb when he fought Crawford? Granted Crawford was winning but Khan was hanging in there with him, until Crawford low blowed him lol. At least Canelo beat Khan with a legitimate punch.

    It's just funny to me how Khan always gets brought up like he was some easy fight for Canelo. Yet fans wanted him to fight Mayweather back in 2015 instead of Berto, and he goes on to fight Crawford. And I get the weight argument but even that was fair to him. Canelo didn't make Khan climb all the way up to 160. Draining himself to meet him at 155 was very reasonable to Khan, unlike GGG who made Brook go all the way up to 160 for example.
     
  5. DodgySyrup

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    Errrr, yeah, Khan had no business being in the ring with Crawford either; as evidenced by the result, and the manner of it.
     
  6. shadow111

    shadow111 Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    lol "the manner of it"?? So stopping somebody via low blow proves that your opponent doesn't belong in the ring with you? Is that what you're saying? lmao
     
  7. truth_teller

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    Come on, the match was definitely fixed. All nights pitty pats from a fighter who has become known as "KRUSHER"?

    DAZN threw millions of $$$ for Canelo's contract. They would no way allow their cash cow to be wasted.
     
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  8. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    I think the record will show that Canelo fought at super middleweight and won a title there before moving to light heavyweight, the same as the others.
     
  9. OvidsExile

    OvidsExile At a minimum, a huckleberry over your persimmon. Full Member

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    The version of Kovalev that Canelo fought that night was not better than the Donny LaLonde Ray Leonard fought.
     
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  10. jmb1356

    jmb1356 Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Khan has just been after paydays for years.
     
  11. NoNeck

    NoNeck Pugilist Specialist

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    It’s dishonest to say that because he defended 160 in the fight before last week and didn’t do a gradual climb like those others.

    Hopkins started his career at 175 if you like being petty. And he was not the 160 champ when he won 175.
     
  12. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    After the fight everyone saw that Kovalev is completely shot. That's why the black Alvarez Koed him before and low skilled Yarde went life and death with him. Alvarez couldn't even hurt the drained drug addict Chavez or anyone in the middle weight division or lower, but easily stopped Kovalev and showed 0 respect for his power.
    It shows they already knew Kovalev is shot.
    This victory only made Canelo look worse.
    They tried to sell it as a brave middle weight goes to LHW and beats the champ, but it turned out to look like a carefully calculated cowardly move to steal a belt from a shot aging fighter. Similar to Cotto Martinez. How do people remember Cotto Martinez? Younger guy beating up a cripple.
    Terrible move by DAZN and golden boy. Canelo did his job, but the event was a total fiasco. Both Canelo and Kovalev look horrible now.
     
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  13. DodgySyrup

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    Fighters get caught low all the time, and there are provisions in the rules for them to take time to recover.

    Khan wanted no part of it and quit...blatantly.

    He quit because he simply couldn't get anything going, and was being outthought, outfought, and outmuscled.

    It dawned him very quickly that he wasn't going to get any success and so he took the opportunity to quit once the low blow hit him.

    My point stands - as Khan had no business being in there and he figured that out himself.

    That's a testament to Crawford, or to how far Khan has fallen.

    Either way, Canelo and Crawford made easy work of Khan and, in my opinion, neither gained anything legacy wise from beating him.
     
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  14. bandeedo

    bandeedo Loyal Member Full Member

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    so, if kovalev wins his next fight against a ranked lhw, then thats sufficient proof that you, and those that agree with you, dksab and cant analyse your way out of a wet paper sack? would that be a fair assessment?
     
  15. Heavy_Hitter

    Heavy_Hitter Boxing Addict Full Member

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    If Kovalev easily outboxed and KOes Betterbiev in his next fight then people will have to reconsider their opinion. But what are the chances this will happen? Highly likely Arthur stops him in 1 or 2 rounds without breaking a sweat.
     
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  16. Big Ukrainian

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    Of course, if Kovalev beats somebody like Jesse Hart or Badou Jack then he wasn't as shot as I thought he was after his fight against Yarde. In this case Canelo's victory over him will look better. But my question to you is if somebody like Maxim Valsov knocks Kovalev out in 4-6 rounds in the nearest future, will you finally acknowledge he was a shot fighter?
     
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