"Carbajal IMO was the better fighter than Chang"

No

 

got back early, dont know why

anyway Chang destroys Carbajal and batter sthe shite out of him

 

Well everyone is entitled to form their own opinion.

I probably wouldn't pick anyone since Harada to beat Chang more often than not at Fly and below.Some great matchups there like Chang, vs Lopez/Obha, Canto etc..but i tend to see the hawk prevailing.

Carbajal was not on his level as a talent, imo he was a very good fighter in a very generic sense.No better than a considerable amount of fighters that fought in othetr tougher weight divisions and maybe didn't even win a title.

you've got to keep in mind Chang isn't always going to be an aesthetically pleasing or instantly impressive fighter depending on what fights someone has seen though.He's also a guy who you really need to research a bit to understand, because he was a bit of a headcase phenom, not a steady dedicated type.

 

Ricardo lopez beats both of them

 

No way

 

First of all, NAME NAMES so I can tell the ***** to STFU :rofl

Carbajal vs Chang would be an absolute war, but Chang had other gears he could go into. Carbajal was just a steady mid-range banger, not that fast, but tough and heavy handed.

Now, I do think Carbajal would beat Lopez, for reasons I have stated **** knows how many times before.

But not Chang.

The 'peak' Chang was a pretty bad trainer. The later Chang (against Ohashi for instance) didn't 'whirlwind' as much because he left most of his stamina in whatever club he was in the night before. He musta decided to set his feet more and make single shots count, rather than engaging in the war of attrition he would usually beset on his opponents.

I really like Chang when he kicks back a bit; switch-hitting, flashing shots, flicking the jab out to set up his little flurries, before he decides to charge back in and mug his opponent of more energy.

In short; H2H at Light-Fly, IMO no one gets out of a series with Chang without losing at least one (and hardly any get a win off him IMO, least not a legitimate one, see: Zapata 1)

I think Chang's reputation was cemented by his performance in the 'Complete Flyweight' Tournament Sweet Pea did a few months back; He reached the semi-finals, where I made a very strong case for him beating Pascual Perez (ultimately I went for Perez)

Interestingly, Ricardo Lopez also reached the semi-finals, receiving a terrible stylistic matchup in Harada.

For Chang there are NO bad styles for him; as has been said many times on here (although I cannot attribute thee 'quote' to its original source, so apologies):

'Chang went through styles'

 

Glad you added the because this must surely be a joke (although Lopez would probably beat Carbajal, I can certainly make a case for Carbajal beating Lopez, though Lopez was clearly the superior fighter in terms of well-roundedness and consistency)

 

Fleaman, that bit about there being no styles for him is very true. I like the bit after that also, because it's so true. That going through styles was because of his upping the pace or fercoity when he knew it need be, like Zapata 2, where he knew leaving any room for Zapata to start his game would not be great for him. Instead he just gets close, gets low, and unleashes hell over the toip of his shoulders. Then you see him other times using a bit of th old step to this side step to that side, making room for a shot or two, or a combo.

The guy who made the statement is so wrong it's quite pathetic to be honest.

 

Chang did though. And in a better figther in Zapata. Very good win for him as well was former champ Alfonso Lopez, Chang just destroyed him.
[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQoqGPKBx4o[/ame]

 

Carbajal>Rosario for me. There's no debate about Carbajal being one of the greatest the division ever saw, it's a given. There's also no debate about the title of the thread either for me, that's not true.