Care to speculate on what may have been different for these guys if they were white?

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  1. McGrain

    McGrain Diamond Dog Staff Member

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    What, if anything, would heave been different about their careers?
     
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  2. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    It would have played a big part imo.
    We have a lot more haters on these guys saying Ali fought in a weak era.
     
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  3. McGrain

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    :lol: :nono
     
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  4. Bummy Davis

    Bummy Davis Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    ALI COULD HAVE NOT BEEN MORE POPULAR but he may have gone to NAM, byrd would still be a small, light hitting heavyweight with gifted wins vs Oquendo,Golota. LANGFORD FOUGHT IN AN ERA WHERE IT MATTERED BUT HE STILL WOULD BE AVOIDED, WHITE OR BLACK
     
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  5. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Its true, you dont see nearly as much smack talk about Ali, as Dempsey and Marciano are talk as. Just think if he were white.
     
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  6. McGrain

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    Well here's another way of looking at it - a white conscienscus objector isn't going to get anything like as hard a time as a black one. Secondly, Ali isn't even getting into the organisation he was in if he was white.

    If Ali was white and all other aspects of his being remained the same, he wouldn't lose those precious years - his peak years - to a ban.
     
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  7. McGrain

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    A small, skilled white fighter taking on the black giants of the HW division is massive box office regardless of Byrd's power deficit.

    At the very least, he would have got the Lewis fight.
     
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  8. Dempsey1238

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    It must be rember there were a lot of whites protesting the war Also. Who knows?? Maybe White Ali becames a Hippy with long hair singing give Peace a chance??
     
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  9. Luigi1985

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    Agreed!
     
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  10. Sweet Science

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    So what you're saying is, because the majority of people out there don't rate Dempsey or Marciano quite as high as Ali, then they must be racists?
     
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  11. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Well when they start ranking guys like Bowe who has 1 mere title defense or 7-0-1 L Spinks over Dempsey and Marciano, than I must be thinking of why???

    Outside of Holyfiled, Bowe relly didnt do anything of note.
     
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  12. McGrain

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    Uh-oh.

    Before we get involved in a race riot here, this is a thread about the prejudice these men may or may not have faced in their careers rather than a general discussion about race and how it affects perception of ESB's posters.

    Let's try to keep it on topic so nobody gets hurt.
     
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  13. McGrain

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    He'd also be a title holder, possibly at heavy as well as middle and Ligh-heavy making him much harder for the top men to duck - I wonder if he would have done any ducking himself?


    Do you think he would have got the shot at Lewis?
     
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  14. Sweet Science

    Sweet Science Peaceful Muslim Warrior Full Member

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    Well, obviously there are people of an unsound mind out there who would rate Spinks over Marciano or Dempsey. The only way Bowe could possibly rank higher than Marciano or Dempsey would be on a head to head basis and thats if you were purely looking at the very best example of Big Daddy from 1992.

    The small minority of people who hate on Marciano and Demspey do so because they lack knowledge and what little they do have generally only extends about as far back as Tyson.
     
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  15. Dempsey1238

    Dempsey1238 Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    So non you guys invision Ali joing the Hippy movement of the 60's than?
     
    Dempsey1238, Sep 17, 2007
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