Carl and Shane got it wrong last night

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  1. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Carl prepared wrong. He expected Leo to be the same fighter as in New York and said as much before the fight, despite Leo insiting he would box this time. I think the plan for Carl was to box similar to New York and this time counter with something really big, hence the extra weight he put on after the weigh in. They wanted to do something sensational in Vegas and it proved to be naive.

    Instead Leo boxed very efficiently, picking his shots and using his huge reach advantage. You could see Carl was shocked by this and literally looked confused in the opening rounds. He was so certain Leo would start like a train and didn't know whether to box on the front or back foot he was that surprised. You've got to remember Carl usually wins the early rounds of a fight and isn't used to chasing a fight. Winning early rounds is particularly important v a guy with the stamina of Leo.

    Credit to Carl, he made some adjustments and did get back into it and was possibly 4-4 after 8 rounds. But Carl is notorious for tiring later in a fight while Leo can fight hard for twelve rounds. But Leo didn't fight hard, he continued to box at range and won the important rounds against a more tired and sloppy Frampton.

    Great tactics and execution by Leo. Wrong preparation and lacklustre performance by Carl. I actually think the trilogy is necessary because it's 1-1 and both fights were quite close and exciting. It's also an intriguing matchup because both guys now know the other can both box and fight. It will be less entertaining, more for the purists and a bit of a chess match. But both guys boxing ability deserve that.

    I think Carl can win the third fight if he forgets about entertaining the crowd or getting a KO and instead has a chess match with Leo using his quick sharp counter punching. He lost his precision last night loading up and needs to go back to point scoring and winning rounds. But it will take an unbelievable performance to beat Leo who showed he's got a bit of everything last night.
     
  2. Beouche

    Beouche Juan Manuel Marquez Full Member

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    Good post. Would add Frampton's corner were awful giving both awful advice and no motivation
     
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  3. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    LSC's change in tactics really caught Frampton by surprise and had him flustered. Frampton was very wild and reckless by his standards IMO. He clearly wasn't expecting LSC to adopt those tactics and it seemed evident to me that the thought of LSC making any kind of adjustments at all to the tactics he employed in their last fight hadn't even crossed Frampton's mind.

    Things didn't start off how Frampton thought they were going to for him and I don't think he was ever able to relax and settle into a rhythm. LSC was smart in that he changed his tactics up every now and then to keep Frampton from settling into one too.

    LSC really used his height and reach to good effect too. Height and reach was a big factor in the fight IMO just as it had been in the co-main event between Mikey Garcia and DeJan Zlaticanin. That one looked like a mismatch in terms of size. Garcia was the more skilled fighter but he also looked like the naturally bigger man in there. But Garcia has always been a big weight cutter and found it really difficult to make weight. God knows how he was able to get down to 126 and 130. He said he was walking around as high as 161 in 2014 and that he didn't even know if fighting at 135 was even doable anymore. He looked superb last night though.

    I'd like to see Garcia versus Crawford, who is also a huge weight cutter and pretty much always the heavier man come fight night. That would be a great matchup in terms of styles.
     
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  4. lencoreastside

    lencoreastside Obsessed with Boxing banned Full Member

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    Excellent post.
    Personally I feel that Frampton should forget all about LS. And move on to other opponents. LSC is all wrong for Carl.
     
  5. DoubleJab666

    DoubleJab666 Dot, dot, dot... Full Member

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    But he won the first fight.... a boxer can't be 'all wrong' if you have a win over him
     
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  6. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Boxing Addict Full Member

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    I don't think you can say Leo is all wrong for Carl after it being 1-1 and two close fights. If the first loss is as beneficial to Carl as it was to Leo then Carl can win the third fight.

    Also people are quick to stick the knife into Shane. I've acknowledged Shane got it wrong but it's literally the first time he has. Everyone makes mistakes, even the best trainers. He's only 28 or something.

    Truth is nobody expected Leo to box how he did. It was an unprecedented performance by him and the best of his career no doubt. So I'd cut Carl and Shane some slack and lets see how round 3 goes!
     
  7. Jack "angry fez" Bail

    Jack "angry fez" Bail Member Full Member

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    Good post... LSC was amazing and boxed way beyond himself but Carl's camp should be kicking themselves
     
  8. groot

    groot Active Member banned Full Member

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    Good fight hope they have a third fight..... in mexico
     
  9. FrankinDallas

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    Frampton needs to figure out how to deal with Leo's jab. Which is crazy, if you think about it, because
    surely he's fought other guys with good jabs and good footwork. Or, maybe not. But he has now!
     
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  10. Hattonmad

    Hattonmad Boxing Addict Full Member

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    The 10 inch reach advantage is a very tough obstacle to overcome when utilised by Leo.
     
  11. Bensub

    Bensub Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Would like to see Santa Cruz v selby.
     
  12. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yeah you said when utilised by Leo and after last nights display he'd be mad to do anything but,Cruz is so much longer and taller than Frampton,should go after Selby I reckon and save the rematch for later with Cruz.
     
  13. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    If LSC aka Pedro from Napoleon Dynamite can summon the courage to face ''The Jackal'' in his backyard and win their rubber match, then the Welsh Floyd Mayweather (aka Lee Selby) and The British Bruce Lee (aka Scott ''Like Water'' Quigg) have got something for him.

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  14. FrankinDallas

    FrankinDallas FRANKINAUSTIN

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    I forgot how hairy Chuck Norris is....and that was a great mix of Lee's philosophy in both word and deed.
     
  15. dinovelvet

    dinovelvet Antifanboi Full Member

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    Gonzalez Jr dropped him with a jab. Frampton was short sighted not expecting Cruz to adopt a different game plan.