Carl Frampton vs Oscar Valdez likely next...

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  1. El Chicano

    El Chicano Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    Wh0 u got???

    Good fight...
     
  2. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Nonito Donaire reveals what surprised him about fighting Carl Frampton

    ‘It was like fighting an 140lbs guys in there.’ John Dennen hears Nonito Donaire describe the experience of boxing Frampton in Belfast

    IN the 11th round Nonito Donaire landed what should have been his game-changer. His left hook caught Carl Frampton cleanly. It was his power punch. Frampton felt it, but did not hit the deck.

    “I put everything in there. A lot of guys would just go down,” Nonito said. “He just stood there like a f****** wall.”


    Frampton was tougher than Donaire expected but that did not come as a complete surprise. “Every champion has that granite chin. Especially here, he has the people’s energy. I knew I had to give it all I got with Carl and it didn’t surprise me that he stood there. It didn’t surprise me at all. He’s the champion and that’s what champions are made for. No matter how many times you hit them, they’ll get up,” Nonito said. “Carl just stood there and he just took it.”

    What did shock him was the physical size of Frampton at featherweight and the way he switched his tactics throughout the fight. “His footwork was sharp, his body movement. It didn’t surprise me because I knew how he fought. What surprised was the frame and the ability to innovate from the start. Just changing, the first round to the second round to the third round. He was changing style and that’s what champions are,” Donaire said. “Dynamically, physically, he was a lot wider than I thought. So all my set ups couldn’t come in because I had to step double the amount of my movement, instead of throwing that right down the middle, which dropped a lot of the guys in the gym. I was so certain. We were so certain of it. But when we were in front of Carl it was like fighting an 140lbs guy in there. He was so wide. I had to double it up, I had to figure out how to do everything. Instead of going to the right and setting up that right, I couldn’t do it. “

    Retirement though is far from Donaire’s thoughts. “I showed what I can do. I can beat my old self. The best man won tonight and that was Carl. Carl was amazing tonight and being there was a pleasure. I’m not bull******* or anything,” Nonito said. “He was great. We came in there with everything that we got and he was better tonight.”

    “You can’t end with a guy like this guy,” he added. “If I lost to someone who was nothing then that would be it. I lost to a guy, I gave it all I got, who was incredible and I know that he can beat anybody out there.

    “I’ve done everything that I need to do in boxing. I’m just here to be the best that I can be and I can inspire people to do what they can do and have the fun with the guy, who was just amazing. We had done everything in our power to study Carl but he came in there with a variety of styles. It was a pleasure to be in there.”
     
  3. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    One thing for sure is Valdez will be there to hit but he’s just so tough that guy,I’d like to think Quigg has softened him up a little and that Frampton could outbox him to a decision
     
  4. navigator

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    I'll be very surprised if Frampton risks a more lucrative fight with the Selby-Warrington winner to box Valdez.
     
  5. CST80

    CST80 De Omnibus Dubitandum Staff Member

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    Valdez takes his first L, and by late KO.
     
  6. El Chicano

    El Chicano Boxing Addict banned Full Member

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    You also said Quigg would KO Valdez

    Frampton is a world class fighter but I say Valdez power gives him the edge..
     
  7. MidniteProwler

    MidniteProwler Fab 4. Mayor of Aussie Boxing Full Member

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    Make it happen #getthestrap
     
  8. Angler Andrew

    Angler Andrew Obsessed with Boxing Full Member

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    Yep good call,only thing I’d add is how much has been taken out of Valdez in last few fights,way he’s been going he could end up punch drunk before he’s 30.
    Frampton even with the loss hasn’t taken anywhere near the punishment.
     
  9. navigator

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    I'd say that Valdez' edges are his conditioning, his length and his technique in exchanges. For power, I think you can call them even; Valdez has the better left hook, Frampton has the more potent right hand. I'd give the Ulsterman an edge in temperament up to now; both have a macho streak, but Carl's not been nearly as prone to throwing good sense and schooling to the wind and carelessly whaling away, although I feel he will find himself having to come toward the Valdez wheelhouse to stand and deliver if Oscar plays his cards right, a situation that I believe benefits the Mexican, who would therefore do well to exert some control over his emotions/impulses and not let the crowd get to him (a vulnerability he's admitted).

    They're closely matched, on about the same level, but I'd be leaning decisively toward Valdez' physical prime and the specific (aforementioned) attributional and technical edges that can tilt the matchup in his favor if he focuses his desire and is tactically sensible. I'd also expect a distance fight.
     
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