Carl Frampton's performance makes you appreciate LOMA

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  1. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Hearing PBC commentators talking up Frampton just makes me appreciate Loma so much more. I wouldn't say they have similar styles, but they are relatable, and Loma does EVERYTHING better. The way he took apart GRJ was beautiful.

    That was my first time watching Frampton, and he looks pretty good. I don't think he's a special fighter, but he has a good enough skill set to warrant some hype. He seemed to wilt against pressure, and didn't handle hard counters very well.

    I believe he'll shine more against boxers and straight up sluggers. The boxer-puncher style that gonzalez turned out to have will give him problems if he faces the elite version of it.

    Happy to see Frampton in the PBC mix either way.
     
  2. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    Frampton put on a good fight and persevered where Loma fell off in the Salido fight. Loma was not knocked down but he had no real game plan for Salido's bull**** similar to May/Maidana 1. Frampton came back and showed that he has the skills to compete with bigger men and not be unsettled. Very good champion pedigree.
     
  3. Slyk

    Slyk Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    Bigger men? Loma was outweighed by what 12 lbs, Frampton looked bigger than Gonzalez. Frampton didn't look unsettled per se, but he had worrying moments throughout the fight, spots that an elite fighter would make him really pay for.

    You can't really compare the task of facing Salido with Gonzalez...
     
  4. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    :lol:Clearly you haven't even seen the match, Loma fell off? Loma dominated Salido in the last half and especially last two rounds and had him out on his feet in the 12th.
     
  5. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    Gonzalez had youth, height and reach, plus power. Salido was old, fat, and did not have the same skill level but was crafty. Vasyl did not have a game plan for cheap shots because he did not have the experience fighting in the pro's.
     
  6. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    You said it just right, "in the last half". It was too late by the time he figured out what to do. He will learn to adjust better as he fights more though.
     
  7. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    So let me get this straight, Salido was coming off of KOing Juanma twice and for all intents and purposes ruining him as a fighter, KOing Cruz and making Garcia quit and go to the scorecards. But he's not as good as a thoroughly unproven kid with no real notable wins.:nut:
     
  8. CST80

    CST80 The Hesitant Nihilist Staff Member

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    Neither FELL OFF, they both had rocky beginnings and both ended well, but Loma had the added pressure of fighting one of the dirtiest boxers in the sport with the help of one of the dirtiest refs in the sport. And he also happened to be fighting a Welterweight.
     
  9. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    :good Absolutely agree. Theater of the unexpected.
     
  10. elchivito

    elchivito master betty Full Member

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    Truth is it turned out to be El Cobrita's debut as well in American network tv, tho he's fought once before in El Paso. This kid was lookin like Sal Sanchez when he was layin the smack on Frampton, Cobrita unfortunately didn't sustain his attack, but hopefully he uses this experience and will know what to do to become champion in the future. Has the makings of a champ. Frampton showed grit and cameback as champs are supposed too, but I don't think he wanted to show any vulnerability in his American debut. I don't blame Frampton for his performance, Gonzalez obviously got overlooked big time, kid is green, but he's that good. Almost caused a huge upset. Loma has his own set of cohones, he almost turned back Salido's challenge and almost beat the much heavier fighter. Can't take away from Loma or Frampton really. If Cobrita could do what he did to Frampton, but sustain that offense for 12 rounds, he could beat anybody.
     
  11. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    He was mentally off because he felt that Arum was playing him for a new guy, which was true. Loma was not ranked and got a title shot for no reason other than Arum's fighter had a belt and his name was not Rigondeaux.

    To think of it as much as these "boxing purist" claim to be on this site nobody complained. Yet people are ****ting bricks about Floyd fighting Berto.:rofl
     
  12. Willie Maeket

    Willie Maeket "40 Acres and Mule" -General William T. Sherman Full Member

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    I like his style hopefully Haymon sees the talent and signs that kid. He can fight and he believes in himself.
     
  13. Enigmadanks

    Enigmadanks Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Both guys are terrific fighters. I'm thoroughly impressed by both men and think both can be a staple in the P4P rankings in the foreseeable future.

    Gonzalez was a live dog in that fight with Frampton; I don't think many people knew how good he actually is. I also believe Carls' issues in the 1st round had more to do with a mixture of poor balance and also being jittery for his US debut. The 2nd KD was a bit more legitimate but it was more of a flash KD than anything else (Frampton had his head a bit too low right before he was nailed.)

    If Frampton can't make 122 lbs anymore, than he should slowly be brought along at FW. And as far as Loma goes, the sky is the limit with that kid. I hope he's able to land that fight with Rigo.
     
  14. Gannicus

    Gannicus 2014 Poster of the Year Full Member

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    Meh..not interested in reading about Loma until he signs the Rigondeaux fight.
    I want greatness for Lomachenko. He has to fight the very best, Rigo is ATG level in terms of H2H ability.
    'I pick the pointless need for rules over the 135lb rehydration limit, even though you're one tiny dude and I come in under 135lbs often'
    - if you're unwilling to make compromises, that is a duck.
     
  15. WilPEP

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    People seem to forget that just because a guy is skilled and is obviously talented that he can still lack experience and be susceptible to emotions.
    Why do you think people rank Ring IQ, ring generalship and experience in World Class fights as such a big portion to a fighters ability to win? Just because a guy is obviously talented with physical gifts doesn't mean he can't be "green" in many other facets of the game.
    To me, this is why we aren't finding the next great fighter out there. You have A LOT of talented kids out there. All the skills in the world. They being told by everyone how great they are, and they begin believing their own hype. They fall in love with their speed, or their power or their chin and work/think less about the intangibles of their game. That and they fight twice a year expecting to gain experience from 1 gimme bout and 1 challenge each year.