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fans should continue to let their feelings be known, as much as I've enjoyed Frochs career hes should not forget its the fans who have made him and they deserve the rematch

 

Froch is a manipulator and he is just trying to change peoples perception on the fight albeit unsuccessfully, but deep down he know's just like us the only person Howard Foster saved in that fight was him.

 

He did walk straight on to the punch and certainly wasnt moving backwards when he got put on his arse

 

Bad Stoppage! Hope the ref has dropped down a few leagues on boxing!

 

Im going to have to come and condescend here gentlemen.

I dont agree with the direction of the thread, specifically this:

"hes should not forget its the fans who have made him and they deserve the rematch"

George Groves does not deserve an immediate rematch for being stopped. A TKO or KO is closure in any fight regardless of the context of a fight, it cannot, repeat cannot be denied that Groves was shipping big shots and looked in serious trouble.

Froch had took single, flush shots through out the night with regular consistency (he's stating he walked onto a right because he did, for most of the night anyway ), he had not took a barrage of flush power shots with little reply. In the context of the fight Groves was in serious danger, and this happened in round 9! A full 9 and a half minutes of fighting was remaining.

Carl Froch is in one of those rare positions that a fighter can only imagine as a young pro. He's earning big money. He gave Groves a shot at his titles when Groves's signature win was still James De Gale (a fight contested for British & Commonwealth title's at 11 & 0). He played his part, Groves is young, he'll come again, but he's had his chance with Froch, its been and gone and thats because he was stopped. Maybe he'll learn how to finish tough guys in future.

That said I completely agree that Froch is an arrogant ****er, but no more so than Groves IMO.

 

Groves does deserve an immediate rematch. The stoppage was bollocks and Froch got his arse kicked for the majority of the fight, it has unfinished business all over it.

 

Groves folded under the pressure mate, if this happened as a last ditch effort in the closing stages of a fight (Mosley Mayorga, Martinez Chavez Jr style) its a different story. It didn't, it took place before they had even entered world championship territory. Froch hasn't gone on the road and took on world champion after world champion to grant George Groves a rematch for being stopped, is that not something you can rationale? :huh

Froch clobbered him and he didn't regain his full senses, he was shipping big shots, no fighter is supposed to ship punishment like that. Groves was in danger, he looked in poor shape, the stoppage was coming sooner or later, it just came sooner. This is blindly obvious to anybody who even calls them self a fight fan, let alone a true boxing enthusiast!

 

agree with furey .....dont agree with thewinfella

 

Amazingly you seem to be in the majority atsch

 

Nah, got to disagree with you.

Froch comes with this persona of being this "warrior", the international superstar, the man who will fight anyone blah blah blah. Groves was in serious control for the majority of the fight, he put Froch on his arse, had him hurt numerous times through out the fight and the ending caused massive controversy.... therefore why doesn't the warrior/international superstar that is Carl Froch end all doubt and give us the rematch? After all, there is huge public demand for it and it would be a massive money spinner.

Like I said, Froch was hurt throughout the fight, so for example was Groves more hurt in the 9th than Froch was in the 1st when his legs turned to jelly and he was falling back into the ropes? I don't think so.

Groves wasn't shipping 'serious punishment' His legs were under him, his hands were up, he was still throwing shots back and he was defending himself. This wasn't like the Froch/Bute fight where Bute was against the ropes, hands came down, his head was getting rocked back, he was taking flush shot after flush shot, his eyes had gone and he was pretty much out.

Froch's words after the fight made him further more come across as a right tit, then after hearing 20,000 fans boo him he came out with the words "Let's get the rematch on Eddie". He said the same thing in the post-fight press conference after being quizzed about it... why the sudden back track? Why won't he honour his words?

It's unfinished business, Stevie Wonder could tell you that. Froch knows it, there should be a rematch without any shadow of a doubt.

 

I think we have different definitions of "shipping punishment"

To augment this I'd answer your as question in a very definitive yes; Groves was in more trouble in round 9 than Froch was in round 1. In case you hadn't noticed Froch was still upright and fought through to force a stoppage.

Judging by the weight in your post of anti Froch media releases I'd say your distain for Froch clouds your actual judgement of what actually happened in the ring, and for any body to label Froch as a phoney, or a fraud, is plain idiotic. He has amassed the healthiest looking resume in British boxing in two decades.

There was a question mark on Groves as being worthy and Froch handed him an opportunity based on what? a Commonwealth and British title with a hand full of spectacular KO's over middle of the road journey men. He played his part, Groves didn't have the tools to finish the job and I mean that two fold, firstly to actually finish Froch off after hurting him badly and secondly a clear lack of resilience when Froch landed a succession of hard shots.

 

froch was in worse shape rising of the canvas in round one than groves was at time of stoppage
froch wasnt upright when he was on his arse.

 

He wasn't in more trouble. We'll agree to disagree.

Where have I called Froch a phony or a fraud? Anyone who thinks that is delusional - he's one tough ******* who deserves credit for what he's achieved but that doesn't mean he's invincible to criticism.

Distain for Froch? I've backed Froch in the past, been to 3 of his fights.. 2 of which I've been in support of him and the 3rd was the Groves one where I was backing him as I've followed him since he turned over as a pro, seen him fight numerous times and simply much prefer him as a fighter and a person.

Froch didn't just 'hand him' a title shot, Groves had positioned himself into the next available mandatory slot so Froch either had to take the fight or vacate.

We'll never know if Groves didn't have the tools to finish the job, simply because the fight shouldn't have ended when it did. Froch obviously packed Howard Foster into his tool kit in order to get the job done.

I watched the fight live, watched it back numerous times and my opinion on it hasn't changed once - the stoppage was shite and a rematch must happen.

 

Is that you George?