you go on about Ward being so good but his toughest fights have been Miranda and Kessler, and that's it. A Kessler who hadn't been the same since Calzaghe. Miranda is a come forward slugger with no skills to speak of, Alan Green (need I say more??) Bika isn't top tier, never has been never will be. Other names on Ward's resume in last 5 fights include, Shelby Pudwill. Can Ward deal with the intensity, power and will to win that Froch will bring? And also will he ever fight outside of Oakland?? Ward hasn't mixed it with rough and rugged company and resorts to fouls when things are not going smoothly for him. Froch is just the fighter that will push him to the limit. Let's see if he can handle that.
You got me, there aren't many. But that doesn't mean Froch gets bumped to A class by default because it is a **** era for a thin division. Ward might be A class but he hasn't fought enough people for us to really determine. Dirrell has B class skills, at least, but lacks the mental strength to use it. Again, waiting for someone to tell me one, ONE thing that he does at an A class level. You know, the level that he purportedly is.
Froch has a lot of things going for him. The biggest fault people make when judging him is they look at his unorthodox style and think he's a bad boxer, yet he really isn't. He keeps his hands low, so his punches tend to travel a long way and seem slow and often look sloppy, yet he's a sharp puncher. He's just very awkward. Look at his timing though and watch his upper body movement. A lot of those things are absolutely spot on. He takes a good shot and knows how to roll with punches and fire back straight away. His transition from attack and defence is perfect, and better than guys like Ward's. I can't understand why you'd think he is a bad combination puncher though, because he clearly isn't. He's just awkward though. I know why people don't rate him, but I tend to think those people are completely missing the point. Everyone knows Froch isn't textbook but when you look at everything he does, he doesn't make a whole lot of mistakes, for his personal style. Compare him to Robinson, and, yes, you will be able to draw up a list as long as your arm of his mistakes, but he isn't Robinson and he isn't trying to be. He's got his own, awkward style and that's very difficult to beat, as it's a style he's almost perfected.
It's fair enough if you don't like his style or whatever but saying he's terrible is ignorance of the highest order. You can't possibly beat the guys he's beat without being a good (at the least) fighter. He has a good jab, deceptively fast hands and a powerful, accurate right hand. No-one is comparing him to Benny Leonard or Ray Robinson for **** sake but he has a style that works for him and makes the best of what he has.
Actually I at no point said that Ward was so good. Just that he is not ****, which Froch is, and as such, will abuse him.
What would you say he does at D-class level? Or was that just blatant exaggeration to attract attention to a potentially **** thread?
Ok, maybe a little too harsh. But this underrated technician with underrated skills bull**** is some of the most outrageous stuff I have ever heard.
Thanks for engaging properly with a thought out response. I just disagree completely though. In fact, with pretty much everything you said, unfortunately. Look at his head when he's throwing those combinations you seem rate. And often times, look at how he neglects to put his body and into them, and throws exclusively with his arms. Your comment that he doesn't make a lot of mistakes... He doesn't move his head. His footwork is slow. He doesn't hold his right hand up when he jabs. There are more, but how are none of these things mistakes?
This is exactly right. Most people rate Harry Greb in the top 5 of all-time but from what we know, he was also very unorthodox, much like Froch is, though obviously they had a different style. Being textbook isn't important. Froch has his own style and is a two-time world champion, with a great string of opposition, who he's look great against. Even if you can't see why he's such a good fighter, his record speaks for itself.