Carl Froch now the 7th best Super middleweight in the world?

What he also failed to mention here is that Calzaghe was 35 when he finally fought someone which was any real threat since 97 on his resume (Kessler in 2007).

Does that mean Calzaghe had no talent ? When Calzaghe was 30 like Bute is now, he was fighting Tocker Pudwill & Miguel Angel Jimenez...

Bute has talent cause it's easy to see, age is irrelevant...

 

1. Ward/Bute
2. Bute/Ward
3. Kessler
4. Froch
5. Dirrell
6. Abraham
7. Johnson
8. Andrade
9. Bika
10. Steiglitz

Explanations:

1 and 2--Ward and Bute are clearly the top 2 guys, but there's no clear way to compare them yet. I lean toward Ward because he hasn't been unofficially KO'd yet, but Bute's resume is much stronger and his wins are much more conclusive. Ward has a win over Miranda (KO'd by Bute), Green (beaten by Miranda), and Kessler (good win, but not satisyfing or conclusive due to damaging fouls). Bute has stopped Andrade (who Kessler couldn't stop), stopped Miranda (who Ward couldn't stop), beaten Bika, and stopped former champs/contenders Zuniga, Joppy, and Berrio. He has to be ranked above Ward if you don't count the 'loss' to Andrade.

3--Kessler has lost to Ward and Calzaghe. The Ward loss was bad, but the fact that Kessler was badly cut up and hurt by fouls probably contributed to the seeming one-sidedness of the fight. Kessler then beat Froch in a tough fight. There's no way to put anyone in front of Kessler other than Ward and Bute.

4--Froch only misses out on the 3rd spot due to a close loss to Kessler. Froch has KO'd Taylor, exposed Dirrell for the ***** he is (but also looked extremely vulnerable in doing so) and been life and death with Kessler. Froch is the clear number 4 in the division unless you choose to revise history by giving him a win over Kessler and/or a loss to Dirrell. Since neither of these things actually happened, you would have to be a ****** or MichiganWarrior to do so, so we'll stick with the facts.

5--Below the 4th spot things open up to interpretation. I put Andre Dirrell at #5 because aside from being a total bitchass and a disgrace to boxers and human beings everywhere, he does own a win over Abraham. Even though Abraham has never really beaten a super middleweight, it's a good win. Dirrell was 'competitive' in a way with Froch as well.

6--Abraham has to be placed below Dirrell, and even though he has yet to beat a real supermiddleweight we have to put him above the others.

7--Johnson has only beaten Green, who we all agree is probably worse at championship boxing than anyone will ever be at anything, but he stopped him, which Ward didn't do.

8--Andrade...poor dude can't catch a break. Got beaten up by Kessler, no shame there. Stopped Bute but didn't get the win. But then he didn't do himself any favors by getting knocked out by Bute the next time around. Still, he has wins over Lucas, Steiglitz, and Mack, and he's been competitive when he loses (with the exception of Kessler).

9--Bika's competitive, has some decent wins...what more can you say.

10--Steiglitz is...semi-relevant?

 

1. Bute
2. Ward
3. Froch (IMO he beat Kessler)
4. Kessler
5. Abraham

 

I'm beginning to warm to the Finns... :yep

 

nono.. then you didnt read it right... Calzaghe had talent.. Just like Dirrell has now.. They are just both chickens.

And chickens dont go all the way...

And yes.. Bute has talent to... I think you should read the total discussion behind that post.

Bute is a chicken to.. Yes he is! Final!

I dont think they should rate boxers only on talent and chickeness.. Rate them on apperence..

 

Hum, Bute just signed a contract to fight the top of the division on Showtime, how is he a chicken?

 

He is just chicken.. how old is he? 31?

If he is in his prime now hmm...:think I think he is his prime of getting so much fame as possible doin absoulutely nothing.

Im looking forward to see Bute in some real action.. allmost got koed by Andrade... tsssss...

If he was a real champ we would see him in the super 6 instead of the Road Warrior!

 

The vast majority of you guys claiming Bute is scared or doesn't want to test himself because he wasn't in the Super 6 from the start, fail to address the real reasons why.... It's like you don't give a **** to know what really happened..

You're simply ASSUMING it's all Bute's fault if Johnson got in before him. Bute said his goal is to be the best by fighting the best. SHOWTIME is now giving him that opportunity that they refused prior to the start of the S6.

If you want to know exactly why the 12th round of Andrade-Bute I happened the way it did, you can find the correct answers, as long as the truth is what you're really looking for....but I suspect you don't care about the truth...

 

U cant jump to the top by beating the best..

If so Oliver McCall was the best heawyweight after KOing Lewis in 94.

A champ beats them all.. no shortcuts " fighting the winner of the super 6" Thats to easy.. ****ing to easy..

****ing Andrade can be the best then.. If Ward won the super6 and Andrade meet him in, there would allways be a chance that Andrade could make an upset.

Bute is a Chicken mainly because:

The time Calzaghe ruled, and Kessler ruled there was also an Bute with a belt.. Kessler attempted to make a match with bute before calzaghe, but bute refused. We wanted more money.. (chicken)...

Kessler then faced Calzaghe.. When Calzaghe won.. He was right at the point that theres no more competision at swm, so we moved 1 class up to meet hopkins. Where was Bute? Hiding.. We didnt know anything about him, and Calzaghe didnt want him.. at that time Froch started to show up on the sceene challenging Calz. Who was Froch.. Nobody knew... Froch then took Pascal and Taylor.

After all this happend.. I asked myself again.. Who is Bute???

Then Bute fights Andrade... lol... Andrade who got owned by Kessler..

Suddenly Bute is the best...

Hmm out of the blue...

 

3 fights with showtime is a start. He isn't only going to be fighting the winner of the Super Six. You make it sound like he will only fight the winner then retire... If he can get through all of the first 3, he'll have more on his plate with the remaining SMW's. I get your point that he still has to prove himself but it's too early to be calling him out as a chicken. His time to prove himself is beginning.

 

Imo.. Bute should have been there when it all happend.. The time Kessler had 2 belts, calz 1 belt and bute 1 belt.

That was the time to proove that u are a really champ. Now there are so many paper champs. So many bums.

 

When Bute got his belt, Calzaghe and Kessler fought eachother. After that, Kessler wa injured and out for a long time and Calzaghe went to LHW. Tell me how the hell he could have faced both guys? Calzaghe publicly said he was not interested to fight Bute. You are writing such idiot things...

Bute had not to jump at the top, because he was already at the top before the super 6 began. Of course, you don't know because you bought everything Showtime told you about the tournament. Well , that was so untrue that Showtime is now giving a multiple bouts contract to Bute.

Time now that "fans" like you do the same.

Dirrell was 11th before the tourney began. With 1 win and 1 loss, do you really think he can jump to the number 1 spot? His resume before the tournament is thin like hair.

Abraham has only 2 fights at 168 and was fighting tomato cans at MW. He also has 1 win and 1 loss in the tournament. And you think he should be ahead of Bute?

Ward has Miranda and Kessler on his resume. Oh, I was forgetting Green. You can make a case but it won't be very solid. That resume isn't really stronger than Bute's. One better win, all the rest being weaker.

Froch: one of the best resumes in the division,but he lost against Kessler. That doesn't make you jump the rankings. I can undestand Froch's fan to think he can be ahead of Bute, even if I disagree.

Kessler: his resume overall is very good, but if you look at the last 2 years, it's not so convincing. Anyway, he may be out for ever. Being inactive doesn't make you jump the rankings.

Taylor?
Green?
Johnson?

You see, except Froch and Ward, nobody can claim the number 1 spot. The truth is that the SMW does not have a champion. It's still ahead of us. With Bute under contract with Showtime, it will happen. We all should be happy but many of you guys prefer to cry like little bitches.

 

You jump from one assertion to another.

First things first... Calzaghe fought Kessler in November 2007, a fight that was negociated many months before to unify their belts (SPRING OF 2007), and it wasn't the first time they tried negociations either. Bute got his belt in October 2007, following his mandatory fight in June 2007. It's a lie that Kessler tried to land Bute prior to Calzaghe !!

Froch wanted Calzaghe because it was an all out Great Britain affair and Froch wanted the cheque that went with facing Calzaghe because of that....KNOWING HE WAS ALREADY 30 AT THE TIME WITH NO DECENT OPPONENT FACED AS OF YET (in 2007) !!

Bute was never considered by Calzaghe whom was only looking for big money fights.

Kessler after Calzaghe, recuperated from his injury and just tried to get back his WBA belt and discussions were never serious between Kessler & Bute because the risk wasn't yet worth the reward, just like for so many other boxers in other weight classes !!

I'd like to also point out that Froch's team elected to pass up an eliminator fight with Bute for the IBF in order to go after the WBC belt that they got only 1 year after Bute won his IBF belt !! Froch also had to fight Taylor because Taylor was his mandatory.

Bute had to fight Andrade because Andrade was his mandatory...and which by the way has been in the top 10 at 168lbs for quite a few years now !

Let's address your initial critics of Bute, for which you decided to ignore my response with your last post to me :

1- HIRO'S INITIAL COMMENT : " Bute doesn't want to fight the best, he's a chicken and if he would want to fight the best, he'd be in the S6 from the start "

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No one insists that Bute's the best and everyone knows that you must face the best to be the best.

But To be the best, you also need to be given the chance !!!

Age is irrelevant...
Abraham = 30 years old
Froch = 33 years old ( fought for his 1st belt when he was 31)