Carl froch resume can't match joe calzaghe's

As it is right now Calzaghe wins. However if Froch keeps this steamtrain going and not derailing anytime soon he will be one of the greats.

 

The people who ruin Calzaghe's resume are not Older Hopkins and Jones(Hopkins is an excellent win) but the likes of Pudwill, Ashira, Jiminez, McIntyre, Manfredo, Thornberry.

Too many of those type of fights in his prime years, just a couple off those names that Lance mentions would makes his resume so much stronger. Unifications with Ottke and Beyer and a rematch with Reid and there would be very little to complain about.

Eubank/Reid/Starie/Sheika/Woodhall/Veit/Brewer/Mitchell/Veit2/Lacy/Bika/Kessler/Hopkins/Jones.

It is not as bad as some make out but it could be a lot better.

The credit you have to give to Froch is that he has allowed himself to discover how good he truly is.

 

ottke didn't want the fight.

beyer got an offer & then turned it down to fight kessler instead. kessler won...so calzaghe ended up fighting him.

 

Which shows that some of the issues with his record were not entirely his fault. Some of the lesser lights were late stands in for others who would look better(Tate for instance) as well.

The window for the Beyer fight was not only that small spell pre Kessler. Ottke may have been impossible to make but it would have helped to legitimize the SMW division for the worldwide audience. Having 2 fighters with long defences and a fight not taking place between them made the division look bad.

Even the likes of Siaca, a young Mundine, Lucas would have improved his standing. There were fights out there outside of Jones/Hopkins and Toney, who often get thrown at him, who would have improved and strengthened his record.

From Brewer in 2002 to Lacy in 2006 he goes Jiminez/Pudwill/Mitchell/Mkrytchyan/Salem/Veit2/Ashira. That was his early 30's, right in the middle of his prime and only really the Mitchell and Veit rematch were worthy fights. Those 4 years were wasted taken as a whole, and put a stain on his reputation that has never really left.

 

no-one was interested in fighting him pre-lacy. for a variety of reasons...quite a few of which are calzaghe's own fault tbh. he faced the best he could convince to fight him by & large. it's not like he was turning down fights. he really wasn't.

& the point was that he did make the offer.

he did try to get a lot of better fights made...ottke, beyer, b-hop, tate, johnson amongst others. froch turned down a title shot at calzaghe before calzaghe took the bika fight. over a career not everything comes off. it is what it is.

re: this.

he was going through a messy divorce where it looked like his wife was gonna take him to the cleaners not just for what he had but for everything he would go on to make.

& had a horrible time with injuries. he was talking about packing it all in.

from post-mitchell to lacy he really wasn't in the game. it happens. he's a human not a collection of stats.

jiminez/pudwill (was supposed to be tate so you gotta let him off that one)/mitchell actually isn't that bad either. the next 4 are clearly not great fights tho & it is over quite a long time period. but again...it is what it is.

 

I was talking about his whole career, not just the tail end. And no, those guys were NOT Euro-pudwells. They were highly ranked SprMW's, who fought other top ranked SprMW's. Pudwell was a one and done fighter who hadn't done anything before or after facing Joe C.

Please try to stay on track. You were crying about Froch not cleaning out the division because you claimed Joe C did it, and I pointed out prominent names he missed. So when the discussion was Joe C's resume at 168, what Froch does is irrelevent.

Froch's resume is another topic.

 

Exactly. And I wasn't trying to knock Joe C's resume at 168 at all, but one has to look at it for what it is. Mediocre with way too many names that really didn't need to be there compared to whom was in his division at the time.

 

Calzaghe at his best

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markussen did nothing of note in his entire career except lose to ottke.

before joe faced pudwill (a last minute replacement for tate) he had also lost to ottke.

so:

euro-pudwill. you've literally only picked up his name by going through ottke's boxrec you mong. calzaghe wouldn't get credit for facing him even if he did...so why bring him up?

rudy ****ing markussen. "highly ranked"? by who? was he in the ring top 10 EVER? no? was he ever a wbo mando? no. he was a ****ing nobody in the grand scheme of things. why the **** would you accuse calzaghe of avoiding rudy ****ing markussen?

cos you're a ****ing simpleton. :hi:

mong.

 

atsch WHO cares about the WBO mando. You obviously were not paying attention to Joe's career in the early to mid 2000's. I was, as a fan of his AND boxing as a whole. Yes, I am a fan of Joe C child.

And please, learn to read and comprehend simple English. No where did I say he avoided anyone. A little too emotional aren't you?

You can't stomach the fact that Joe spent too much time w/ that WBo belt and their weak rankings and mandos.

Try reading my other posts in this thread before throwing a freakin hissy fit.

 

:rofl you think rudy markussen was a "highly rated " boxer. you think calzaghe's career has a gaping void cos he never faced rudy ****ing markussen.

:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl:rofl

just shuffle off. you've embarrassed yourself.

:hi:

 

He WAS at the time. You uunderstand what that means? Just that he was ranked highly at one point. Just as today Froch, Kessler, or Bute are. I am NOT saying he is some ATG or something. So I have no idea why you are freaking out. Well, I do, as you're a over emotional ******.

I gave a list of SEVERAL names that would be better on his resume, then left off. No where did I say not having Rudy leaves a GAPING VOID. Again, please learn how to comprehend English.

But really, saying Markessun was ranked is NOTHING for you to freak out about.

 

no.

he.

wasn't.



you are talking ****. sums you up really.

 

Why are you so pissed over that anyway? Why are you taking it personal? atsch

You need to step away from the computer little boy. Chill the **** out... I'm talking about from ten years ago, you know, when you were maybe 5?

 

dude...i'm laughing at you for being a mong. cos you're banging on about rudy ****ing markussen being a "top ranked" supermiddleweight who would have "improved" calzaghe's resume. he was a poor man's mario veit.

:rofl:rofl:rofl

believe me...i am not pissed. i think it is hilarious how absolutely ****ing clueless you are.

:yep