Carl Froch: The Writing Was On The Wall

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  1. JimiRB

    JimiRB Member Full Member

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    There has been much made of Andre Ward's win over Carl Froch and deservedly so. Ward fought a tactically perfect fight and, when viewed in conjunction with his other superb Super Six showings, is looking every inch Joe Calzaghe's successor as the dominant force in the SMW division.

    However I also can't help thinking that the dominance of Ward's victory was amplified by Carl Froch's lack of speed, skill and ring generalship. In retrospect it is easy to point fingers but I personally can't understand why anyone was giving Froch a serious chance before the fight. Jermain Taylor and Andre Dirrell both (despite losing) gave very convincing blueprints for defeating Froch and I think it is obvious that the first slick and technically sound boxer who wouldn't either gas or bottle it would give him serious problems.

    I am British and in my opinion Froch's ascension in the esteem of our fight fans demonstrates much of what is wrong with British sport, namely the misguided idea that heart, courage and blood and thunder tactics will always prevail and that it is these characteristics which should be instilled first. Wrong. At the highest level it is skill and ability which determines the winners and losers and it is the absence of these qualities which is the primary factor for Froch losing.

    As a Joe Calzaghe fan I have never thought much of Froch and if anything, the Ward result gives the strongest indication yet that Joe would have humiliated him had they fought.

    I look forward to watching the likes of Ward and, hopefully, Dirrell at the highest level for many years and hopefully a new Super Six tournament will include a legitimate British star as opposed to a loud mouthed muppet who blocks punches with his chin as opposed to his gloves.
     
  2. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Froch was exposed a long time ago and has a low work rate.
    Froch has never beaten a SMW that has really done much other than Reid who was very faded.
    Froch only ever won vacant titles.
    I respect Froch for what he has had to go through in his last 6 fights though, being away 5 of those times.
    Froch is 34 and has only looked good in one of his 7 world title fights.

    If anything I felt Ward was exposed. Slow low workrate Froch had Ward tired at the end and showed Wards weaknesses
     
  3. RustBelt

    RustBelt The Pride Of Youngstown Full Member

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  4. MichiganWarrior

    MichiganWarrior Still Slick! Still Black! Full Member

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    Ward was fighting with a broken hand. Good luck finding a European anytime soon thats gonna trouble Ward failey.
     
  5. Imperial1

    Imperial1 VIP Member Full Member

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    Had Froch won you guys would be singing a diffrent tune ..The man went 3-1 against soild opposition in 1 year while also traveling ..Stop trying to discredit a TRUE WARRIOR !
     
  6. bailey

    bailey Loyal Member Full Member

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    Bute. Oh but Ward wont fight him :oops:
     
  7. red cobra

    red cobra Loyal Member Full Member

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    I don't mean to dump on Froch or anything, but you'd have to be an idiot to think that the Ward fight was going to turn out any differently. Froch had ridden his 15 minutes of fame horse till it just died, that's all. It was inevitable that Ward was going to outclass him...and yes, Calzaghe would have embarrassed Froch as well...totally outclassed him. The novelty of Froch and his annoying as hell stunner wife is over now.
     
  8. Big Left

    Big Left Boxing Addict Full Member

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    Don't really get your point, you are just saying what everyone was saying BEFORE the fight, but AFTER - which is kinda pointless.

    Your comments about British sport is cliched and not accurate and your comments about Froch are not fair considering that most SWM's will not achieve half of what he has done and I bet that will apply to Dirrell.
     
  9. Shearsie

    Shearsie Active Member Full Member

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    I tend to agree; winning a world belt (vacant or not) is something not too many fighters achieve.

    Froch was respected as despite his shortcomings in skill and athletic ability, he was able to overcome the odds and achieve to a high standard. People are able to relate to this, and often people enjoy barracking for the underdog.

    No, he would have never beaten Ward, or Calzaghe (I'm a Froch fan, but also a realist). Would he have chased the fight, and done the best he could have? You bet he would have.
     
  10. p.falk

    p.falk Well-Known Member Full Member

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    Ward v Froch was nowhere near the blow out some like to make it seem.
    Watch that fight with no commentary.... mute it and watch.

    That fight was closer than the theme of "one sided beating" that keeps popping up.
     
  11. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council banned Full Member

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    I agree with most of your comments apart from one. Andre Ward is technically a much better fighter than Calzaghe was. I think Calzaghe vs Froxh would have become alive and death struggle similar to Calzaghe vs Mikel Kessler. As good or as bad as Calzaghe was his reputation in retirementisbeing embellished to make him sound better than he was.
     
  12. ianwigley

    ianwigley Guest

    ****ing rubbish.

    I gave Froch a round, and just, round 5. Spoke to my Dad about the fight and he reckoned 5 was debatable.

    I don't give two ****s about any commentary, watch it without sound, watch it with sound, make your own mind up.
     
  13. VARG

    VARG Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    I was preaching back and forth with anyone who would listen that I thought Froch would win mainly because of Ward's inability to fight on the outside. He is a **** outside fighter. Had Froch been a better inside fighter or just faster, I think he could've won. He had the physical tools to do so. He has the reach, height and power to keep Ward honest. Abraham was able to land many of his shots on Ward being the shorter fighter with better reach. And let's not get confused here, Ward didn't escape the fight looking untouched like his other one-sided fights. He looked intact against Green and Kessler. Against Froch though, he'd look like he'd been in a fight so to say it was one-sided is a stretch. Froch just didn't present as good of a challenge as I or those backing him anticipated, but he gave Ward about as much trouble as Bika did.

    Froch if anything displayed what it takes to beat Ward. I think Dirrell would make Ward look ordinary (as Dawson did against Benard in the short time span the fight lasted) and Bute would actually beat him.
     
  14. JunitoJab

    JunitoJab Antagonist Full Member

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    True
     
  15. Jetset78

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    Pascal