Fair enough. I don't think anyone at 168 beats Benavidez in a shoot out. You need some good defense at least, which Froch lacked, and with David's accuracy, good luck with that!
My good god! Benavidez has fought 4 world champions, only 1 of whom was in their prime and is trash and was almost knocked out early by a Tough Man competitor in his last fight, and only 2 of whom were world champions at the weight he fought them at. Benavidez's CV is littered with Yusef Mack level opponents and below for goodness sake Gvozdyk was well past his best and has been mentally checked out since one of his opponents almost died at his hands and he himself had a heath scare after the Beterbiev fight Boo Boo is a career 154/160 pounder who has never beaten a world champion himself and had only fought at 168 once before and that was against a binman, and whose gas tank ran dry after 4 rounds against Benavidez due to bulking way up to fight at SMW. Lemieux was a completely washed career 154/160 pounder who, like Boo Boo, had zero right being in against a gigantic weight bully massive 168 pounder who came in at 196 the other night which he's not even sure is the most he's come in at before, meaning he's come in close to that if not more at SMW, and 196 is the second highest fight night weight I've ever heard of for a LHW and by at least 3lbs at that Boo Boo, like Lemieux at 168, looked like trash at 160 or mich less impressive than he did at 154, let alone up at 168. Both their best form was down at 154 or 154 and 160 for Lemieux. And Morrell whilst athletically gifted has never beaten anyone other than Hot Rod and he arguably lost that fight. And he fought like a moron against Benavidez and instead of using angles and lateral movement he being loose and fluid he fought tense, stood right in front of him and loaded up on shots all night. That fight would've looked very different a few fights down the road with Morrell having garnered more experience against actual world class opponents under his belt. And what the hell does that have gloves won't travel filthy dirty deck-stacking serial cheat Ward beating Froch have to do with a Froch vs Benavidez match up their styles aren't remotely similar? Froch actually forged a career beating world champions and world class opponents his size, bigger or much bigger and he was a road warrior too. He used to rehydrate to 170, not 185-196 and he proved himself at a much higher level of opposition repeatedly whilst doing that Granted, Benavidez would have a huge weight advantage over Froch but Froch isn't Ronald Gavril who Benavidez couldn't put a dent in over 24 rounds and should be 1-1 against in many people's eyes. The best case scenario for Benavidez is he gets the Jermain Taylor treatment and gets knocked senseless late.
I totally agree Serge i like both fighters BTW so there's no bias from me but Froch competed at a much higher level in regards to opposition. I feel like Benavidez is coming along nicely in his career, but i'm not anywhere near ready to favour him in a slugfest vs Froch who i don't think many fighters could beat standing toe to toe. I also don't understand either why people are bringing up Ward he's more like Hopkins in his older age a crafty boxer he has no relevance to Benavidez's style what so ever. We all know Froch can be outboxed by trying to beat him by trading punches which is Benavidez's style ? that's a whole different ball game in which i don't favour Benavidez to do so.
Benavidez has the right passport so he doesn't actually have to beat prime world champions and top competition his size for people to act like he is doing exactly that. He can beat binmen and get praised for beating killers. He's actually long been one of my favourite current fighters but he has some really annoying fans who are turning me off him. Clowns who hype him up for beating the likes of Plant who is bang average and soft jawed, career 154/160 pounders like Boo Boo and a washed Lemieux who was a ''bum'' way back in his prime when a smaller not way bigger GGG beat him according to these same clowns. A way past his best Gvozdyk. And Morrell who, other than Hot Rod who arguably beat him and who these same clowns will act like is a bum when Beterbiev destroys him with ease, as said, is athletically gifted but has fought a bunch of janitors, debt collectors and retired dentists. Plant hasn't beaten anyone of any note Neither has Morrell Neither has Boo Boo or Lemieux at 160 or 168 And Gvozdyk was clearly not the same fighter he was in his prime Yeah it makes no sense at all. Ward is a filthy dirty serial cheat billy goat/octopus hybrid spoiler. Froch beat plenty of guys who were faster or more athletically gifted and flashy than him, actual world champions and top contenders his size, bigger or much bigger. He should've lost to them all by that logic
Froch has a better chin (Benavidez was dropped by Gavril, stunned by Andrade, and got backed up by Plant), is a more proven puncher against 168lbers, and has a better engine. Froch is awkward, hits hard, has a stellar chin, and gets better as the fight goes on. He's also an incredibly hard man to outmuscle or outwork in exchanges. Even against Johnson where he struggled with the tricky style of Johnson, Froch clearly won and dominated most of the exchanges. Besides, Glen Johnson was more of a come-forward counter-puncher with crafty defence rather than a straight up-and-down pressure fighter like Benavidez is. We're talking about Benavidez at 168 too, so he wouldn't have the benefit of the defensive improvements he made at 175. Benavidez couldn't even stop Plant ffs, how on Earth is he gonna stop someone with a steel chin like Froch? Plenty of fighters were better than Froch in terms of attributes and how polished they were in terms of boxing ability but still fell prey to the relentless pressure and ugly, mauling style of Froch. Benavidez hasn't proven he's in the same class as Froch, he's struggled too much in all his big fights to be made a favourite over a guy like Froch.
So much too unpack there in every sentence. Firstly Andrade never stunned Benavidez, and neither did Plant, and the Gavril knockdown was a flash off balance shot. He was never hurt at 168 ever, so there is no evidence Froch has a better chin. Glen Johnson was a basic pressure fighter, mediocre in every way other than heart and durability, Froch struggled to beat the 42 year old year old, and could not keep him off him, so just imagine Benavidez in that ring, with his speed, accuracy, range, gas tank vs that old relic Johnson. Froch had awful defence, while Benavidez is one of the most accurate punchers in the sport with heavy hands and a 84% KO ratio at SM which was higher than Frochs'. He also had an endless gas tank at 168 every bit as good as Froch. Thinking just because David could not stop Plant means he could not stop Froch is the biggest non sequitur ever, considering one is a very slick defensive fighter and the other is a brawler. Froch was not demonstrably better than Benavidez in any respect as a fighter, while Benavidez would have been faster, more accurate, better combination puncher, and better defense. He did not suddenly learn good defense in his last two fights, he always had it to anyone with good eyes. Froch robbed Dirrel, the inferior brother to the 2 time WC Benavidez stopped age 23, his best win was a long in the tooth Kessler with 50 pro fights which was the last fight of his career. I don't know you can watch him struggle vs Johnson and think Benavidez is not on his level. David vs Johnson would have looked like his fights vs Angulo and Ellis. Brutal beatings with the towel thrown in. Froch was a dog, but I think Benavidez has too many tools and is just as big a dog. I think Froch would have been target practice for the monster and would get stopped late in a fun fight. Froch had stamina, heart and an engine but in every other area he was quite ordinary. Very poor defense, wild swinging punches from the hips, not the best fight IQ , just tried to grit it out.
And again how is Ward relevant to Benavidez ? Their styles are not comparable at all. Ward is more like Hopkins both are good at neutralizing output in regards to clinching and boxing smartly. Where as Benavidez is an all out aggressive action fighter.
They are both good boxers with technical know how. You are the type who thought Kovalev would have his way with Ward not realising Dre would work him out disarm him and drown him. Benaividez is a very well schooled fighter likeWard that is the relevance. Shame you are blinded to it.
Huh ? What are you even on about ? I never liked Kovalev or Ward and had no strong feelings about the fight either way. It's just your comparing Ward to Benavidez and Benavidez has little to no relevance to Ward in regards styles they're completely different fighters I don't see what's so hard to understand. Would anyone in their right mind watching Ward and Benavidez think they are comparable in regards to the way they fight ? Absolutely not. Ward is a spoiler and a smart boxer Benavidez is an all out aggressive action fighter.
The problem is you don’t understand nuances.Both guys are well schooled with excellent fundamentals and have several dimensions. No one is saying they are a carbon copy of each other but they know how to make appropriate adjustments to win. Canelo and the Reynoso’s know they cannot beat Benavidez hence won’t make the fight.
I do understand "nuances" and i have two working eyes aswell. Ward/Benavidez have 0 relevance to eachother in regards to styles hence bringing up Ward to make a case for Benavidez is baffling. Styles make fights Ward was a spoiler and a smart boxer who was good at negating offence. Benavidez beats his opponents down with sheer aggression and creative offence. Hence the way Ward was able to beat Froch is certainly not the way that Benavidez would beat Froch if he was able to beat Froch which i don't think he would in my personal opinion. So again as i said it's a baffling comparison when Ward and Benavidez have no similarities in their styles or the way they go about fighting.
Ward is not a spoiler rather he is a complete boxer who is physically strong. Froch’s defence is his face which spells disaster against Benavidez and Ward used him as target practice. Clearly McCracken did not coach defence.
We're going round in circles I'm done with this conversation there's 0 relevance to Ward and Benavidez and I'm tired of stating the obvious goodbye.