Carl Froch vs David Benavides

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The Cobra vs The Monster

  1. The Cobra

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  2. The Monster

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  1. Serge

    Serge Ginger Dracula Staff Member

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    Froch has beaten

    Kessler
    Pascal
    Bute
    Abraham
    Taylor (career 160 but in terms of weight Froch was a small 168 pounder. Crawford only weighed a couple of pounds less than him for his 154 debut)
    Johnson (past his prime)
    Groves
    Dirrell (controversial)
    Reid (past his prime)

    All his size, bigger or much bigger and almost all bar one or two in their primes

    And he fought many of them in their backyards or on the road

    Benavidez has beaten

    Plant
    Boo Boo (career 154/160 who has never beat a world champ and had only fought at 168 once, against a binman
    Gvozdyk (who was clearly past his prime)
    Lemieux (washed career 154/160)
    Dirrell (past his prime)
    Morrell (has beaten one world class opponent and arguably lost)
    Gavril (controversial and Gavril is not world class)

    And obviously you factor in size and how huge Benavidez was/is at 168 and 175, as said, 196 is the 2nd highest recorded LHW I've ever heard of and by at least 3lbs at that

    And they were all in his home country

    Plant is really his only win over a prime natural SMW and he's bang average at best.

    Kessler, Pascal, Bute, Taylor, Abraham, Groves and even Johnson would all knock Plant's ass out or beat him and in terms of best wins he would rank way down near the bottom of Froch's if not the bottom

    FTR, I think Benavidez is an excellent fighter but his resume is far from being excellent which is not something anyone could ever say about The Cobra

    FTR, I even rate him highly enough to think he would beat Ward who doesn't possess a mandible section anywhere near as sturdy as Froch's or his gas tank either.

    Ward hid his behind a wall of illegal tactics, most notably lunging in and grabbing ahold of his opponents like an octopus all the time in order to eliminate or drastically reduce the amount of counter punches they could hit him with.

    He wouldn't be able to do that with Benavidez who, like Beterbiev, is a terrible style match up for him and his excessive fouling and cheating.

    Hence why he wanted nothing to do with Beterbiev and tucked tail and ran for the hills when the LHW division was on fire, knowing full well the stench of the controversy his judges bailing him out again would damage his reputation beyond repair when they tried to get away with robbing Beterbiev, Bivol or Gvozdyk.
     
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  2. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    I have made you quit “No Mas”.
     
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  3. tarrant45

    tarrant45 Active Member Full Member

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    Froch has a better 168 resume but resumes don't fight for you in the ring. Head to head comparing attributes and skills, Benavidez is clearly superior if you break it all down. You have a young guy who can match him for durability and determination which are Froch's best attritbutes and superior in most of the other areas. Froch's poor defense vs David accuracy, volume and power = gg.
     
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  4. Dynamicpuncher

    Dynamicpuncher Boxing Junkie Full Member

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    No more like I've got better things to do with my time than to state the obvious numerous times to a brickwall that won't listen.

    Have you ever heard of the term styles make fights ? In what universe are Ward/Benvaidez alike style wise ? Why would I want to continue a conversation with someone that can't recognize the obvious ? After I've stated it 3 or 4 times ?

    No mas ? In a mythical match up where its impossible to determine who's right and who's wrong because the fight will never take place ? you think an opinion that can't be proven right is "No mas" oh dear.

    If i choose to stop replying because a conversation is going nowhere thats called common sense but yet you want to bait me into arguing ? Not going to happen im afraid good day to you.
     
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  5. Brighton bomber

    Brighton bomber Loyal Member Full Member

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    The problem with your position is that DB hasn't fought guys at the level Froch has, one's skillset can be flattered and flaws left unexposed when fighting at lower levels. Resumes may not fight for you in the ring, but resumes show what level you are and when you don't have the resume it's hard to know just how good a fighter is.

    Also Froch when in terms of comparing skillsets should have lost a lot more than he did, for all his flaws as a fighter he made up for them with his durability, tenacity and his ability to break fighters down late in fights. So even if DB is more skilled, that's no guarantee he wins.

    I don't think DB has shown he is as durable or as determined as Froch. Sure he's looked good up to this point but as you admit, he hasn't the resume to back it up. It's easy to look good vs inferior opposition, plenty of fighters looked great right up to the point when they stepped up and then didn't.

    Right now Froch is the proven better fighter. Maybe DB will one day surpass Froch's accomplishments and standing but right now saying DB is better is pure conjecture.
     
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  6. tarrant45

    tarrant45 Active Member Full Member

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    Who are all the Froch opponents better than

    Plant
    Andrade
    Dirrell
    Morrell
    Gvozdyk

    Froch got out boxed by the Dirrell brother who never even won a world title, while Benavidez stopped the 2 time wc brother when he was only 22 years old. You are trashing Davids resume acting like he fought nobody. He has shown his skills vs quality opponents and that's all we can judge him from.

    How many of froch's wins were past their prime? His best win Kessler was past his prime, almost 50 pro fights, and it was his last fight.

    How would Froch , know for having very poor defense, deal with Davids, speed, volume, accuracy and body work? He could not keep a 42 year old journeyman like Johnson off him , how could he keep Benavidez off him?
     
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  7. African Cobra

    African Cobra The Right Honourable Lord President of the Council Full Member

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    You quit because you have been schooled. Take your loss and learn then come back a better man son.
     
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  8. humbug

    humbug In Vino Veritas Full Member

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    On accomplishments Froch is superior to Benavidez at SMW, going off the eye test though I’d give the edge to Benavidez but it would be a war.
     
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